Text groups split into two entangled text groups

For several years teams within my organization have adopted text groups to quickly coordinate within a team. Some of the group members are using Androids. We give our groups names and an icon so that they stand out on the list of recent messages. It's worked very well for us.


Recently, however, I've had two of these groups do something bizarre that suggests an iOS bug. A named text group splits into two text groups, the named group and an unnamed clone of it. The clone has some but not all of the text history. Any group interaction is fragmented into two threads. Sometimes a new text in one group goes to both groups! The groups seem to be randomly entangled.


This problem might be easy to fix if there were an easy way to delete an entire text group for all participants. The recommended "Tap Leave this conversation" doesn't do this; the group is still there for everyone else.

Asking others to Leave this conversation may be a useful step toward group deletions, but when I do this the people who have left the group still appear as active members on the group profile page.


So, three questions:

  1. Is there a way to avoid a duplicate group showing up?
  2. How can we delete the duplicate group?
  3. More generally, how does one permanently delete a text group for all members?


(In case the reason no one can delete a group is that "you shouldn't be able to delete a group text on someone else's phone", I can explain why you should be able to do this. Group deletion is needed frequently: every time you need to add a new member or remove an existing member you have to create a whole new group to do it (at least, if Androids are involved). That wouldn't be a big deal, but since you can't permanently delete the previous group, you have to give it a name like "OLD GROUP! DO NOT USE!". Even if all of the group members want that old group to go away, no one, even the group creator, can delete it! Sounds like something Microsoft would do.)



iPhone 11, iOS 18.2.1

Windows

Posted on Feb 8, 2025 07:00 PM

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Posted on Feb 11, 2025 09:19 PM

Thanks, FishingAddict. A very illuminating description of our problem, and good advice.


How about our problem of text groups spawning clones. Is this a known glitch? Lord knows how it happened (twice now), but it's a recent development. I've looked for reports of it, but perhaps I haven't be using the accepted jargon.


PS We're a cohousing community, not a company.

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Feb 11, 2025 09:19 PM in response to FishingAddict

Thanks, FishingAddict. A very illuminating description of our problem, and good advice.


How about our problem of text groups spawning clones. Is this a known glitch? Lord knows how it happened (twice now), but it's a recent development. I've looked for reports of it, but perhaps I haven't be using the accepted jargon.


PS We're a cohousing community, not a company.

Feb 8, 2025 07:18 PM in response to DrIBIS

Unfortunately because SMS groups are managed on each receiving device, there is no way to delete them for everyone or even rename them. Doing so on your end would have no affect on their end. You would need to convince everyone in the groups to delete the groups before starting over.


I am also guessing that your business is using bring your own device considering differnt device platforms. If you were all using a common carrier, and all using iPhones, then life would be easy because iMessage would work well. What may improved the situation eventually would the be addition of RCS on iPhone (What is the difference between iMessage, RCS, and SMS/MMS? - Apple Support), but that still requires that all group members have a carrier that supports it. Unfortunately, SMS groups across platforms are a nightmare and will always be a nightmare.


A better option may be to choose a secure messaging app for everyone to use. One possibility would be something like Signal (https://signal.org/). Another option would be to use a service that the company may already have available, such as Microsoft Teams.


Feb 13, 2025 04:38 PM in response to DFS74

I am not sure what to tell you other than you will never have reliable groups using SMS. It doesn't matter if it's iPhones, Android, or other phone OS. SMS was never designed to do groups in the way that everyone wants them to work, different implementations also make it a mess, and then each carrier implementation also can make a mess of it. There are simply so many variables conspiring against reliable use of SMS for group conversations. It's never worked reliably and will not moving forward.


To have consistent group conversations you will need to abandon SMS. If you are all on cell carriers that support RCS, maybe try that. But, for actually reliable groups, you should consider all agreeing upon a dedicated messaging app such as Signal, Teams, Slack, etc.

Feb 13, 2025 07:47 AM in response to DrIBIS

Unfortunately, this is not just an issue for a company, and forcing others to not use an Android device isn't reasonable.


For what it's worth, this is a problem with a group message amongst family members for us. One member out of 7 has an Android, and the group chat randomly splits into (so far) up to FOUR groups with the same members. Sometimes the group photo changes to not have one, and sometimes the group name is not on the cloned group, but sometimes it is. It's hit-or-miss as far as which iPhone users have how many clones of the group. It changes regularly. Sometimes if I reboot my phone I can get some of the groups to combine, but something always causes them to split out again at a later date.


Interestingly, somehow the iPhone seems to know they're the same group, because if I silence one, ALL groups get silenced. It's extremely frustrating, but outside of rebooting the phone to sometimes reduce clones, none of us has found a solution yet.


Versions of phones/iOS on others I do not currently have access to, but my phone is a 16 Pro at iOS 18.3.1

Feb 14, 2025 08:02 AM in response to FishingAddict

That's the thing, though. (Definitely not speaking on behalf of DrIBIS here.) The group text worked perfectly well until the advent of RCS and iOS 18. Ever since then, we've had issues, and Apple likes to say it's on our carrier to fix (Verizon, BTW) and the carrier says it's for Apple to fix.


So, this behavior is likely to be considered unintended or a bug, but until the finger pointing ends, no one is going to take ownership and fix it. I guess what I (and I assume DrIBIS) was hoping for is some way that's been found to address the issue, or confirmation that someone is looking into it.


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