Mac Mini M4 not enough power delivery on Thunderbolt ports!

I thought thunderbolt ports offer up to 15W per port, but I guess I am terribly wrong here! I got a new Mac Mini M4, and my ports are used like this:


  • Port one, my second display
  • Port two, external Thunderbolt SSD
  • Port three, and here it gets strange, Universal Audio Arron Thunderbolt interface


If I plug the Arrow interface in, nothing is happening (interface not starting), and I get a message "not enough power available, unplug other devices". If I look in systems I can now see that the arrow is showing up in USB 3.1 tree.


If I unplug the SSD, and try Arrow again, it starts fine, and shows up in Thunderbolt tree, as it should.


So how much power is supplied by the three Thunderbolt ports of my Mac Mini M4? If it is 15W for all ports, (that´s what I guess actually) then its not more, than normal USB 3.1 ports. And this would be a really big joke, cause most people incl. me think, you get three times up to 15W.


What do you guys think, or is there any real infos from apple available, about this? I did not find anything


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Posted on Feb 4, 2025 02:46 AM

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Feb 4, 2025 04:16 AM in response to Kobold11

If I remember correctly,

  • USB 2 calls for host ports to provide up to 2.5W (500mA @ 5V)
  • USB 3 calls for host ports to provide up to 4.5W (900mA @ 5V)
  • USB-C allows for negotiated Power Delivery in either direction, but does not mandate that a computer has to offer any Power Delivery power to accessories
  • A USB4 document about USB4 / Thunderbolt 3 said (oversimplified) that a computer should offer 15W on one Thunderbolt port, but could offer half that (7.5W) on the others. There was also a note that this might create a problem for accessories that wanted 15W. I don't recall if the 15W/7.5W was for anything plugged into a USB4 port (that had Thunderbolt), or only for Thunderbolt accessories.
  • Thunderbolt 4 apparently calls for 15W on each Thunderbolt port – but again, I'm not sure if this applies to any accessories other than Thunderbolt ones.
  • USB-C cables are supposed to be able to carry 15W (3A @ 5V) – which is not the same as saying that a USB-C port on a computer must provide 15W. (A lot of people use USB-C power bricks for charging portable gear.)
  • USB-C cables that support Power Delivery must have embedded chips to tell the devices on either end that the cable can safely carry more power.


Apple has not made any statements about the amount of power that Macs are willing (or not willing) to provide. So the question here might be whether it is the USB 3 power specification or the Thunderbolt 4 one that governs. And whether the Mac mini goes "above and beyond" the minimum requirements (which would be harder to answer in the absence of documentation from Apple or of extensive testing).

Feb 4, 2025 06:57 AM in response to Servant of Cats

Universal Audio – Arrow / Apollo Solo

"Arrow is the world’s first Thunderbolt 3-powered desktop recording audio interface for Mac and Windows"


Judging by the pictures, I don't see any place on the device where you could plug in a separate power supply if you wanted to do so.


Universal Audio – Apple Silicon Compatibility with Universal Audio Devices

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