Orange Dot on all external displays in macOS Monterey

We use a 27" iMac to control multiple external displays, TVs and a very large LED wall screen. I recently upgraded the iMac from Big Sur to Monterey which was a little more complicated than expected. I had to update drivers in the Blackmagic Design Decklink cards and update the PVP3 software from Renewed Vision.


Then the Orange Dots appeared in the upper right hand corner of every external display - totally unacceptable! I literally spent a week of my life debugging this. Reinstalling software and drivers, rebuilding show files, creating new users, back and forth. Eventually I discovered that when I enabled the Dante Virtual Soundcard audio input (used to bring in SMPTE timecode) it would turn on the Orange Dots. And once they turned on, they were sticky and would not go away by turning off the DVS audio input.


Ultimately the solution was to wipe the iMac's disk and back down to Big Sur. I am now stuck at Big Sur and will not move forward until the Orange Dot problem is resolved. I don't care if there is an Orange Dot on the iMac's internal display, but there must be a way to remove them from all external displays!


We have four iMacs in the mix and I've backed down the others for consistency and interoperability. Now they are all running Big Sur. This is a super critical problem for us and if this problem is not resolved in the near future, we'll stop buying iMacs. There are other choices.

Posted on Feb 7, 2023 05:47 PM

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Posted on Feb 8, 2023 06:57 AM

The orange dot means some application is using the microphone. Click on the orange dot and it will tell you at the top which application it is. If you do not want to let that application use the microphone, go to Settings and Privacy and turn it off. I had to quit and restart the app that had been using the microphone to get the orange dot to go away. Search github for "undot" and there is also an app that has existed for a number of months already that will hide it.

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Feb 8, 2023 06:57 AM in response to Bobbert8

The orange dot means some application is using the microphone. Click on the orange dot and it will tell you at the top which application it is. If you do not want to let that application use the microphone, go to Settings and Privacy and turn it off. I had to quit and restart the app that had been using the microphone to get the orange dot to go away. Search github for "undot" and there is also an app that has existed for a number of months already that will hide it.

Feb 8, 2023 11:47 AM in response to LosingFaith

Thank you for the reply. I am not using the microphone at all. But I am using Dante Virtual Soundcard, which macOS classifies as an audio input and therefore apparently as a microphone.


I did try https://github.com/s4y/undot, but that no longer works. That workaround is two years old and it appears Apple patched that out several Monterey versions back. Sorry I didn't record the Monterey OS version I was using, but it was definitely newer than two years.


LosingFaith wrote:

there is also an app that has existed for a number of months already that will hide it.


Is this a different app than github undot? If so do you know the name of it?

Feb 8, 2023 12:21 PM in response to Bobbert8

Sorry, I didn't read that the installation required turning off SIP. If you turn it off and then turn it back on, that is marginally OK, since that just means you are changing a system preference that is otherwise protected and not meant to be changed. If it is advocating leaving SIP off all the time, then I would not do it.


You file feedback with Apple here for MacOS: Feedback - macOS - Apple If you go up a page to here Product Feedback - Apple you can file feedback on any of the Mac products. Apple relies on us to support each other and so I don't think they pay any attention to the back and forth going on, including our interaction, in terms of product improvement. So, filing the feedback, as either a "feature request" or as a "bug" or as both, is the way to bring it to their formal attention.


Although, interestingly, they have just now sent me an email saying they did not like my advice, probably in the same way that you did not! Good luck again!


Feb 8, 2023 12:19 PM in response to Bobbert8

I was able to figure out why my dot was on, and turned it off. I did a little more searching and found this: I have not tried it, so I can't vouch for it. Did you put in a bug report/feature request with Apple already as well? They will, of course, never reply individually to you (or to me or to anyone), but I do believe they sum them all up and eventually ignore them or act on them :-) Good luck!


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Feb 8, 2023 12:15 PM in response to LosingFaith

Thank you for that link. It's a little scary because of turning off System Integrity Protection... I'm not a super experienced macOS IT-type person (although I'm rapidly learning thanks to Orange Dot). The description of the whole process sounds like I'll need to schedule a full day to upgrade OS, try the hack and then be prepared to back down to Big Sur if something goes sideways.


Sorry for seeming dense, but where do I file a bug report with Apple? (Was thinking this was a good place.)


Obviously I would prefer Apple provides a solution so I'm not mucking with potentially dangerous stuff and potentially disrupting other things I may or may not appreciate that I'm depending on.

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