Any way of quantifying quality loss when capturing DV via A/V and not FireWire?

I have a cheap Analogue/Digital converter taking the signal from the A/V output of a video recorder (or analogue camcorder) and pushing it into the computer via USB as an .mp4 file.


With analogue footage it does an excellent job being indistinguishable from the original but of course with digital video there is a noticeable quality loss.


Is there any objective measurement of this loss such as a 768x 576 original looks like a 480p or 360p copy?


So are there any objective figures that show the equivalent output or is it one of those things that varies from camera to camera?


A google search came up with the following which apart from saying it will be worse is very vague about how bad.


When copying DV video through the A/V output, you will experience a significant loss of quality compared to a direct digital transfer (e.g., FireWire). The A/V output is analog, while DV is inherently digital. This conversion introduces multiple potential quality degradations, including: 

  • Analog-to-digital conversion:
  • The analog signal from the A/V output is converted to a digital signal by the capture device, which introduces noise and artifacts.
  • Lower bandwidth:
  • The A/V output typically has lower bandwidth than a digital connection like FireWire, meaning less information can be transmitted.
  • Interlacing issues:
  • If the DV format is interlaced, the A/V output might not preserve the correct interlacing, leading to visible artifacts.
  • Further compression:
  • The A/V output itself might involve some compression, further reducing quality.

In contrast, a direct digital transfer via FireWire or other digital interfaces (like HDMI on some HD camcorders) allows for a near-perfect copy, retaining the full resolution and quality of the original DV video.

According to a Reddit thread r/VideoEditing

, using A/V output can result in a "worse version" of the video compared to a digital transfer. 

In summary, copying DV via A/V output results in a noticeable loss of quality compared to a digital transfer due to the analog-to-digital conversion, reduced bandwidth, and potential interlacing issues. 

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Posted on Jun 11, 2025 9:26 AM

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Posted on Jun 11, 2025 12:27 PM

There are various tools to measure perceptual quality between two versions. The simplest to use is browser based and can be located by Googling on the string: "video quality analyzer"


Apple has a command-line tool called AVQT (Advanced Video Quality Tool). It is designed to measure perceptual quality loss, not just a technical parameter. It can be downloaded from the Apple Developer site, but that requires you to create a free developer account (click "Account" at the top-right corner of this page:Apple Developer

WWDC21 talk on AVQT: Evaluate videos with the Advanced Video Quality Tool - WWDC21 - Videos - Apple Developer


In Youtube you can query on AVQT to see tutorials.

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Jun 11, 2025 12:27 PM in response to Ian R. Brown

There are various tools to measure perceptual quality between two versions. The simplest to use is browser based and can be located by Googling on the string: "video quality analyzer"


Apple has a command-line tool called AVQT (Advanced Video Quality Tool). It is designed to measure perceptual quality loss, not just a technical parameter. It can be downloaded from the Apple Developer site, but that requires you to create a free developer account (click "Account" at the top-right corner of this page:Apple Developer

WWDC21 talk on AVQT: Evaluate videos with the Advanced Video Quality Tool - WWDC21 - Videos - Apple Developer


In Youtube you can query on AVQT to see tutorials.

Jun 12, 2025 7:07 AM in response to Ian R. Brown

I don't think that's a difference attributable to digital capture via FireWire vs analog capture. The right image shows signs of inadequate deinterlacing (mentioned as a possibility in your first post). Since DV by definition is interlaced, that's not unexpected. If the desire is for good quality, you should consider something like Elgato Video Capture to USB, which is only about $50 on eBay, then, after capture to a file, properly deinterlace it.

Jun 11, 2025 11:33 AM in response to Ian R. Brown

Importing miniDV/D8 via Firewire is lossless (although in my setup 0-6 dropped frames per hour were flies in the ointment which I could occasionally fix by re-importing such clip).


My unnEUtered Sony TRV320E D8 (D8 is essentially the same DV as miniDV except different tape) camcorder can on-the-fly playback analog Hi8 tapes to Firewire output as well as passthrough analog VHS to Firewire or record analog VHS to D8 tape.


So a similar decent analog-to-digital converter should do the same as that old Sony D8 camcorder.


...but I'd check that such device really losslessly captures those old pesky rectangular and interlaced pixels so the user can fix those details with full control in post when editing... I guess many cheap converters fail that.

Jun 11, 2025 12:19 PM in response to Matti Haveri

From what I can see, DV and HDV are captured in similar quality to VHS so much softer etc. than the original tapes but still perfectly watchable.


People with old DV camcorders and modern computers frequently ask how they can capture their tapes. The ideal way is to buy a few overpriced Thunderbolt to FireWire converters and pray that they work.


The alternative is to get a cheap USB converter.


Until a couple of weeks ago I had never used one but had often suggested that others should try if they wanted a quick and cheap solution. After all you can't grumble at a tenner.


Having bought one I can now confirm that they are ideal for videos to be given to family members who invariably are not as critical as we are. If it is imperative to maintain optimum quality then Thunderbolt/FW is the only way to go regardless of expense and possible failure of the connections.

Jun 11, 2025 1:06 PM in response to Ian R. Brown

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family members who invariably are not as critical as we are. If it is imperative to maintain optimum quality then Thunderbolt/FW is the only way to go regardless of expense and possible failure of the connections.

Yes. I often check my workflow quality by comparing input vs output images/movies at +400% zoom. And I am appalled at family members who share images and movies via WhatsApp etc with instantly degraded quality and nuked metadata :-/

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