External Monitor Flickering/Ghosting, USB-C, Thunderbolt, Displayport, Macbook M4 Max

Similar to the discussion here, I have a new M4 Max and I was using two Dell U2720Q monitors via USB-C.


I was plugging both monitors directly into the Macbook where the right monitor (no matter what port) would have flickering/ghosting. I assumed that it was cables, firmware, or potentially monitor failure. This seems to be triggered when I wake from sleep or move widows into this display.


First I replaced the cables with these TB5 cables from cablematers. Issue still present.


Then I updated the firmware on both monitors with the Dell provided utility. Issue still present.


Then I replaced the right monitor with a Dell U2725QE, wiring the TB4 port to the Macbook and using the TB4 "downstream" to run the U2720Q. Issue still present. Directly wire the U2720Q, issue still present.


I'm wondering if there is a specific issue with how the Macbook is detecting the U2720Q... is it attempting to set an HDR profile or something on the monitor that is causing these aberrations?

Posted on Jul 21, 2025 06:45 AM

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Posted on Jul 21, 2025 02:27 PM

Just so that you completely understand, when connecting ThunderBolt-3 or -4 devices, those cables are NO DIFFERENT than "regular" Thunderbolt-3 cables. Their internal wiring and construction are likely to be identical.


The way they achieve faster speeds with ThunderBolt-5 devices at each end is by using a modulated signal -- that sends multiple bits per signaling interval.


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when I said use HDR=OFF, that setting is at The MAC end, in settings > displays. That produces an 8 bits/color data stream that is slightly less 'near the edge'.

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Jul 21, 2025 02:27 PM in response to andrewdunndev

Just so that you completely understand, when connecting ThunderBolt-3 or -4 devices, those cables are NO DIFFERENT than "regular" Thunderbolt-3 cables. Their internal wiring and construction are likely to be identical.


The way they achieve faster speeds with ThunderBolt-5 devices at each end is by using a modulated signal -- that sends multiple bits per signaling interval.


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when I said use HDR=OFF, that setting is at The MAC end, in settings > displays. That produces an 8 bits/color data stream that is slightly less 'near the edge'.

Jul 21, 2025 09:18 AM in response to andrewdunndev

<< (although isn't USB-C just encapsulating the DP signal?). >>


It's only trivially more complex than that, so YES.


<< Any suggestions for changes in the apple configuration to avoid this flickering? >>


Dropping back to HDR=OFF (which gives you "only" Millions of colors instead of Billions) will pull you back from the bleeding-edge where this stuff seems to be falling apart on you. For most ordinary purposes short of magazine-cover photo creation, this choice many not even be noticeable.

Jul 21, 2025 08:43 AM in response to andrewdunndev

That Dell U2720Q display appears to be a 4K display limited to 60 Hz refresh that supports Billions of colors when HDR=ON, 10 bits/color


Interfaces

  • DisplayPort (DisplayPort 1.4 mode)
  • HDMI (HDCP)
  • USB-C

There is NO ThunderBolt on that list.

• ThunderBolt cables alone should perform as expensive USB-C cables as long as under 1 meter.

• That display can NOT be used as the FIRST display on a daisy-chain (on a Mac) withOUT using an External Docking device.


re: HDMI

There is a very UGLY knee in the curve of HDMI performance at the nominal 4K @ 60 (8 bits/color) point.


• HDMI 2.0 supports this (4K@60 at 8 Bits) resolution, or 10 bits/color, but only at 50Hz all using PREMIUM cables


• HDMI 2.1 uses a completely different signaling method, and WILL NOT work reliably on any cables that are not at least ULTRA rated. (Thankfully those ULTRA cables are backward-compatible.)


Punchline:

It appears this Display does NOT support higher than HDMI 2.0, and if you want 60 Hz, no higher than 8 bits/color.


Jul 21, 2025 07:22 AM in response to andrewdunndev

The following article contains information about using an Apple Mac computer with a Dell UltraSharp Monitor using a USB-C cable.


Using a Dell UltraSharp USB-C Monitor with a Mac



You must download from Dell the Mac OS driver software for this monitor to get all the available color features. Response from Dell. Dear Valued Customer ...


Dell UltraSharp 27 4K Thunderbolt Hub Monitor - U2725QE






Jul 21, 2025 09:08 AM in response to andrewdunndev

That Dell U2720QE appears to be a 4K display with support for 10 Bits color when HDR=ON. Although nominally supports refresh rates higher than 60 Hz, the Dell article linked above suggests USB-C and ThunderBolt connections (To a MAC) are limited to 60 Hz (it does not say, but may also be limited to 8 bits/color, HDR=OFF).


Connectivity 

  • 1 DisplayPort 1.4 port with DSC support (DRR for Microsoft Windows)
  • 1 DisplayPort 1.4 port out 
  • 1 HDMI port (Supports up to UHD 3840 x 2160 120Hz FRL, VRR as per specified in HDMI 2.1)
  • 1 Thunderbolt 4 upstream port (DP1.4 (HDCP 2.2) with DSC support, PD: Up to 140W EPR , 2/4 Lanes switching)


and also:

  • 1 Thunderbolt 4 downstream port (Downstream, Daisy Chain, 15 W)
  • 1 USB-C (USB 10Gbps KVM) upstream port >> N.B. NOT fast enough for ONE 4K Video (except 30 Hz at 8 bits/color)


This display does Not suffer the same limitations on its HDMI inputs, but requires an HDMI ULTRA cable for most uses.


in every case, cables carrying USB-C or DisplayPort signals are limited to 1 meter maximum length for reliable operation.

Jul 21, 2025 09:12 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I'm using 1m TB5 rated cables. I tried to use the DisplayPort Out on the U2725QE into the U2720QE but I couldn't seem to get it to work. Potentially that would be a better interface to use (although isn't USB-C just encapsulating the DP signal?).


Any suggestions for changes in the apple configuration to avoid this flickering? It seem to only happen once in a while but it takes a long time to recover (I typically just turn off the display for 30-90 minutes as a quick power cycling doesn't resolve the issue).

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