Which files should I delete in order to be able to boot up an external drive.

Hi,

I use my SSD external for everything. However, it doesn't boot. I've tried everything, a network recovery, disk utilities to safe mode. It will loop startup and finish with the error with 5 or 6 lines explaining why it crashed. If needed I will find what is says on-line.


I am grateful, because I have access to all of it's files as I set it up to share with another external and can get into it as needed. After disk utility and all the troubleshooting I did it appears that it's software related.


Trying to do this without investing in software, if possible. Are their files I can delete that will at least get me into safe mode? i.e. preferences or whatever.


Oh! After network recovery I get storage and something error but their is around a terrabyte left on the drive. Unless it's what the OS is alotted?


Any advice would be appreciated.


2017 intel Mac

OS Ventura on SSD drive- most current version.


Thanks

iMac 27″ 5K, 13.6

Posted on Jun 23, 2025 10:14 AM

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Jun 25, 2025 7:53 PM in response to Macs Are War Horses

Macs Are War Horses wrote:

I set up my SSD external to share files with my other external, so it worked in my favor. I can copy and delete any thing on that drive, but I don't fully understand what container means and it labeled itself, "Big Sure - Data." I don't think I ever installed Big Sur. I have been using Disk First Aid on all of them!

When running First Aid on a drive with an APFS volume, then run First Aid on the hidden Container since it will also run the scan on all of the APFS volumes within that Container. It may even be worthwhile to run First Aid on the physical drive as well.


Even if the First Aid summary says everything is "Ok", click "Show Details" and scroll through the report to see if any unfixed errors exist. If there are errors, then run First Aid again until the errors are gone. If after several scans the errors remain, then they cannot be fixed and would require erasing the drive & restoring from a backup (or also reinstalling macOS if it is a boot drive).


I am able to use the other external in place of my main external. it is close to what my SSD has, but it's super slow in comparison. After it takes forever to boot up it works pretty well, bur some apps are slow.

So this second external drive is bootable?


If so, have you ever encountered those Kernel Panics while booted to the 2nd external drive?


If not, then it most likely means the main external drive is bad. You can try running DriveDx (free trial period) to check the health of the main external drive. Post the complete DriveDx text report here using the "Additional Text" icon on the forum editing toolbar which looks like a piece of paper.


Edit: Also try running the Apple Diagnostics to see if any hardware issues are detected. Unfortunately only a failing diagnostic is useful.


Jun 23, 2025 8:28 PM in response to Macs Are War Horses

What is the exact model? You can get the exact model by entering the system serial number on the check coverage page (please don't post the serial number on the forum since it is considered personal information):

Check Your Service and Support Coverage - Apple Support


Please post a picture of the crash message.


Is it possible to boot from the internal drive? If not, what happened to it?

Jun 28, 2025 3:25 PM in response to Macs Are War Horses

I'm a little confused about your situation. Are you able to boot up and run at all, interior drive or the external drive?


In order to create a bootable external SSD you will need to boot into the Recovery volume (boot with the Command + R keys held down  - Intel Macs) or  (How to Boot an M1 Mac into Recovery Mode), #1 - select Disk Utility from the Utilities menu, select the top of the external SSD and erase it entirely. Therefore you will need to copy the contents of that drive to another drive for safe keeping.


Next #2 -you'll have to select the newly erased drive and install the system from the Recovery volume:



#3 - then use Migration Assistant to bring over from your Time Machine backups


to bring over your user account, apps and network settings, etc. plus copying the files you saved off the external SSD back to the new bootable external SSD.



If you 'd like to clone your internal boot drive to the external SSD you can ignore the above and follow this user tip: Using Carbon Copy Cloner to Make a Bootab… - Apple Community. Note: your internal drive will have to be bootable to use the user tip. If it's not then the first part of this reply will need to be used.

Jun 28, 2025 5:59 PM in response to Macs Are War Horses

Macs Are War Horses wrote:

At this point in time I can't afford another external to do a time machine backup and I also don't have the time to invest in Drive Dx as I will be moving soon.

DriveDx has a free trial period which is more than sufficient for checking the health of the drives, both internal & external. To be able to access the health information on the external drive requires installing a special USB driver.


Jul 7, 2025 3:20 PM in response to Macs Are War Horses

Thank you to ALL that have tried to help me! I've tried many things over the past many days and thought my 8 yr. old internal Mac was failing, but then took an old ext hd and erased and reformatted and it works. Unfortunately my existing hd's went to data drives and couldn't be fixed back to start up disks by recovery methods I plan to back up their data then reformat them. It should fix the problem as it appears. I need to learn how to use time machine, so that I could save lots of time and stress that I had encountered. I'll update you when I can. Thanks again

Jun 24, 2025 9:35 AM in response to HWTech

Thank You so much for your help! The error comes up quickly and quickly goes away, so I can't take a pic of it. However, I could search the internet to find an example if you would like? I will check into what your asking, but it's an in Intell i7 Imac. OS Ventura. What you might want to know is the SSD drive info as all the other externals and internals are working. It's just that I can't boot up from this SSD that I have been living in for a few years, but you know Macs better than I do and I appreciate your help!


Does this help?

iMac 27″ 5K

Purchase Date: November 15, 2017


I will see if I can find that error message. It has many lines of info.


Thanks!


Jun 24, 2025 4:08 PM in response to HWTech

Yes, I can boot up from the internal drive. I started using an external when it would cost too much to upgrade the music app. In order to continue to use the music software I bought an external to do everything else on. Thanks.


I set up my SSD external to share files with my other external, so it worked in my favor. I can copy and delete any thing on that drive, but I don't fully understand what container means and it labeled itself, "Big Sure - Data." I don't think I ever installed Big Sur. I have been using Disk First Aid on all of them!


I am able to use the other external in place of my main external. it is close to what my SSD has, but it's super slow in comparison. After it takes forever to boot up it works pretty well, bur some apps are slow.


Thanks

Jun 25, 2025 12:00 AM in response to Macs Are War Horses

So I couldn't boot from the SSD still, but received an error log from the other external, which is almost a carbon copy of the SSD and I think is a container for the SSD. The error message at startup was the same as the SSD during startup, but was able to boot up anyway. Below is the error message I received on the SSD and it looped.


Below is what I got from the container disk or I mean the other external that booted up:


panic(cpu 6 caller 0xffffff800092371a): tzinit[16] exited -- no exit reason available -- (signal 0, exit status 2 )


uuid info:

0x1081d4000 uuid = <27b4a78f-a030-39e1-8458-611a8d034b2b>


Thread 0 crashed


RAX: 0x0000000002000001, RBX: 0x0000000000000002, RCX: 0x00007ff7b7d2b658, RDX: 0x0000000000000000

RSP: 0x00007ff7b7d2b658, RBP: 0x00007ff7b7d2b670, RSI: 0x0000000000000000, RDI: 0x0000000000000002

R8: 0x0000000000000000, R9: 0x0000000000000000, R10: 0x0000000000000000, R11: 0x0000000000000206

R12: 0x00007ff7b7d2bc58, R13: 0x00007ff7b7d2bcd0, R14: 0x00007ff7b7d2bc90, R15: 0x00007ff7b7d2bb20

RFL: 0x0000000000000206, RIP: 0x00007ff80b681262, CS: 0x0000000000000007, SS: 0x0000000000000023


Thread 0: 0xffffff9bb1b5ab30

0x00007ff80b681262

0x00000001081d7ff7

0x00007ff80b35f418



Mac OS version:

22H625


Kernel version:

Darwin Kernel Version 22.6.0: Thu Apr 24 20:25:14 PDT 2025; root:xnu-8796.141.3.712.2~1/RELEASE_X86_64

Kernel UUID: 40388BE0-12E1-3C59-9820-A402CA83DB3E

roots installed: 0

System model name: iMac18,3 (Mac-BE088AF8C5EB4FA2)

System shutdown begun: NO

Panic diags file available: NO (0xe00002bc)


Praying I made sense.


Thanks for your help.

Jun 25, 2025 4:56 PM in response to MrHoffman

Unfortunately I can't find the name of the SSD in the get info and I must have thrown out the box, so I don't know the name or type of SSD it is, but I reinstalled the OS with this error, "Storage system verify or repair failed 69716." I also realize that I haven't been doing a network reinstall as I don't see a globe. Cmd. - Opt. - R. I thought was network recovery, hut it must be the OS on disk.


Thanks




Jun 27, 2025 10:28 AM in response to HWTech

HW Tech, Unfortunately. that error was taken from the usable external. It doesn't come up anymore, but booting takes forever. Also, I did get a clean bill of health from apple diagnostics. I will try drive dx, but it might need to wait....however, I'm still unsure if I can get into the affected drive in safe mode. Faulty keyboard, cord or something? I'll keeo you posted.....thanks so much!

Jun 28, 2025 11:57 AM in response to Macs Are War Horses

Ok. So last night I unplugged everything, but the affected external drive and got onto the internet recovery system on the net. I did first aid on everything I could see. Affected drive and internal. I tried to reinstall the OS Ventura and got the same error, "Storage system verify or repair failed 69716." After looking it up it appears it has to do with the update process that updates need to be done in small increments, but the examples I saw were full or trying to skip upgrades then was fixed by smaller upgrades, I just wanted tio go back to my last upgrade, which was the last update apple had for Ventura. I believe I kept current.


Thank HW Tech and everybody for your suggestions, but I think I might just find files on the eternal because I can get iinto it, back them up manually as I get time to do so then erase the drive and start over again. At this point in time I can't afford another external to do a time machine backup and I also don't have the time to invest in Drive Dx as I will be moving soon.


HW Tech, You may have something that the internal went bad as the Mac is 8 yrs. old., but it still works great when I boot into it.


Thanks Everybody! I will post if anything comes up!


Jun 28, 2025 6:06 PM in response to Old Toad

Old Toad wrote:

I'm a little confused about your situation. Are you able to boot up and run at all, interior drive or the external drive?

I'm not entirely sure about multiple things in this thread as well. Keep in mind I think the OP may have two bootable external drives.


I don't know if an EtreCheck report would be beneficial or not when there are multiple boot drives. Any Kernel Panic logs may not be associated with the correct drive. The OP has already mentioned seeing a Kernel Panic while booting from another drive after the system crashed trying to boot to another drive.


The TimeZone initialization Kernel Panic (did not know tzinit until @MrHoffman mentioned it) has me since I've never seen that one before.

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