Are there cautions about new Sequoia 15.4.1 update?

I'm using a MacBook M3 Pro Max, which came installed with Sequoia. If I recall everyone with Sequoia found the bug, I think even on older machines but I'm not sure. It doesn't happen if you copy from a right click drop-down menu. And maybe if you had just restarted your MacBook you wouldn't see it, because the first time or two of using it after restarting MacBook it shows just "Copy" as it should, but after repeating the action of copy the text of a file title once or maybe a few times it reverts back to retaining the previous title that you copied and showing that as the file name text you're about to copy. Also I just confirmed, if you just select a file without highlighting it, the copy button from the top bar edit button will correctly show that file you selected, but if you double click the file to highlight the text of the file name it will show a previous file name, not that one. It's a real bug I don't know why they haven't fixed it

Red and Blue wrote:

I'm using a MacBook M3 Pro Max, which came installed with Sequoia. If I recall everyone with Sequoia found the bug, I think even on older machines but I'm not sure.

Why do you think it's a bug and not intentional? It certainly makes sense that, if I highlighted something and then went to "Copy," I'd want to copy what was highlighted.

If you let someone use your computer while logged into your account, the title of a file being shown is the least of your worries. If you're concerned about security when someone else is using your computer, use the Guest Account. That way, they see none of your information and everything they do gets removed when they log out.

Red and Blue wrote:

I'm using a MacBook M3 Pro Max, which came installed with Sequoia. If I recall everyone with Sequoia found the bug, I think even on older machines but I'm not sure. It doesn't happen if you copy from a right click drop-down menu. And maybe if you had just restarted your MacBook you wouldn't see it, because the first time or two of using it after restarting MacBook it shows just "Copy" as it should, but after repeating the action of copy the text of a file title once or maybe a few times it reverts back to retaining the previous title that you copied and showing that as the file name text you're about to copy. Also I just confirmed, if you just select a file without highlighting it, the copy button from the top bar edit button will correctly show that file you selected, but if you double click the file to highlight the text of the file name it will show a previous file name, not that one. It's a real bug I don't know why they haven't fixed it

So I just tried this on a MacBook Pro M3 Max on 15.4.1 and I can't get it to reproduce what you describe.

I don't know what you have installed that somehow leads to what you see but I suspect there are more important things to worry about. In any case, I can't reproduce this on Silicon nor Intel MacBook Pros on 15.4.1.

You're right about the relative importance of that issue as far as security if someone else is using your account, but it is still a bug, and it annoys me because it distracts me when I go to copy that way. I've learned to more often and more easily, unless I'm already up near the top bar, coping with Command C now. But it is not intentional--it never worked that way before. You misunderstand the problem, going by your statement. If something is highlighted and you go to copy, does not show the name of the file you're about to copy that's the bug--it shows the previous copied file. However if you proceed with clicking copy it will still copy the correct file that has been highlighted, it's just distracting. If you restart your computer and start fresh it will not show that behavior sometimes it takes a few copying events before it starts with the persistence of a previously copied file. And if you just click on a file without highlighting it it will show the correct title of the file, but then if you highlight that text by double clicking the copy function will show the title of the previously copied file title text. The correct function is if you highlight the text of a file and go to copy it should just say copy it should not have any title in there, especially not a previous title.

I just updated to Sequoia 15.4.1, and it's still doing that behavior. The first time I tried it after the MacBook has been updated or restarted, if I highlight a file title text first and click the top edit button, it just says Copy. But as soon as I select a file without highlighting it and click the Edit button it will properly show the full title of the file after Copy. However after that if I double click and highlight another file, I don't even have to have copied the text of a previous file, just the fact that I opened the Edit function on the top bar while a file was selected will cause it to retain that title when I go to copy a double clicked text file of another file. I suggest you try it again--I'm pretty sure it's a universal bug, as several other people could reproduce it last year, including someone in AppleCare customer support I believe, when they correctly followed procedure.

Of course, lists of previously opened files and things like that can be an equal, not security, but privacy issue. The only thing is if you have deleted a file and think someone might not be able to see it it could still persist but it's a hypothetical and low priority issues as far as that aspect. I don't have anyone looking over my shoulder anyway. But I do not believe this is an intentional behavior or feature. For example, if you select a file before highlighting it and then go to the edit button and then highlight it, it will show the file you have selected when it is highlighted. But that is only because it is has replaced the previous file title with the you have just selected--it actually should not show any title once you highlight the text, which is how it always worked previously on earlier operating systems. I called AppleCare and spoke to a senior advisor about the issue, he suggested I make a QuickTime recording of the problem and send it to them and they'll pass it on to the engineers so they're aware of it, whether for one of the remaining updates to Sequoia or so that it doesn't carry over into the next operating system, hopefully. Actually, one benefit from this is that I've learned to use Command C, which is usually much easier and quicker. Probably most people were doing that already which is why they didn't notice the bug.

Red and Blue wrote:

You're right about the relative importance of that issue as far as security if someone else is using your account, but it is still a bug, and it annoys me because it distracts me when I go to copy that way.

We don't know that it's a bug. All we know is that you don't like it. I suspect it's intentional behavior.

Red and Blue wrote:

Of course, lists of previously opened files and things like that can be an equal, not security, but privacy issue.

And, as I already pointed out, the security and privacy issues are easily dealt with.

Red and Blue wrote:

Who is "we" that doesn't know that it's a bug? You mean you don't know. I know that it's a bug as much as you don't know that it isn't a bug. Others have agreed that it's a bug.

None of us know for certain that it's a bug. You can believe it is. But, that doesn't make it so. I don't think it is, but my ego isn't wrapped in being right about this.

And, in the end, it doesn't matter. This is how things behave now. All you can do is submit feedback and work with it as best you can. Easily resolved security and privacy issues are just so many straw men.

It's not about ego being wrapped up in it, there seems to be a small community here with pretensions to be the arbitrators of what is and isn't. I submitted a video recording of the bug behavior to Apple but now I have to follow up and get them to this send it to engineering--thanks for reminding me about that with your comment.

And your hobby seems to be making snide remarks on this forum. I did call back and talk to a different senior AppleCare representative. It turns out the previous rep didn't inform me I have to also download their capture data app and run it at the same time or within or 24 hours of making the video, so I'd have to do that again and the main issue is I do not wanna give them all that data. But she did make a report on it. And also I had her go through the steps. She was working on an 2022 iMac M1, and behave properly on her machine, in other words, after selecting a file, then going to another file double clicking to highlight it and then going to the top edit bar, simply said Copy with no title after it. She confirmed that's the proper behavior. I told her that someone on the forum here suggested it was a feature, and she laughed and said it wasn't a feature. So it may just be certain hardware has the bug. So now you continue can with your hobby of making snide remarks.

Red and Blue wrote:

And your hobby seems to be making snide remarks on this forum. I did call back and talk to a different senior AppleCare representative. It turns out the previous rep didn't inform me I have to also download their capture data app and run it at the same time or within or 24 hours of making the video, so I'd have to do that again and the main issue is I do not wanna give them all that data. But she did make a report on it. And also I had her go through the steps. She was working on an 2022 iMac M1, and behave properly on her machine, in other words, after selecting a file, then going to another file double clicking to highlight it and then going to the top edit bar, simply said Copy with no title after it. She confirmed that's the proper behavior. I told her that someone on the forum here suggested it was a feature, and she laughed and said it wasn't a feature. So it may just be certain hardware has the bug. So now you continue can with your hobby of making snide remarks.

Thank you so much for that follow up information.

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