Mac mini M4 Pro caught in repeated start up loop

I recently acquired a new Mac mini Pro and connected it to two external hard drive enclosures. One of the enclosures is an old Thunderbolt drive that requires an adapter for connection, while the other is a new four-drive enclosure that holds four hard drives for different types of backups. Everything worked smoothly on my 2014 Mac mini, but unfortunately, the new Mac mini Pro cannot boot when both external drives are connected and all four hard drives are powered on. (Each drive can be individually turned on and off.)


Is there a limit to how many drives can be accessed all at once?

Why do I have to unplug the four enclosure drive in order to get the Mac to boot?

Could it be that these very old hard drives are having issues to lock up the system on startup?

Could it be this inexpensive USB C four drive enclosure from China?


Once booted, I can plug in the four enclosure drive and it will work, but I cannot restart when all four drives are turned on. If I restart, the Mac goes into a loop of rebooting repeatedly.


I have my four enclosure drive with four hard drives (2T, 2T, T2SSD, 3T)

A two drive enclosure Thunderbolt 2 (3T and 1TSSD)

Daisy chained to the Thunderbolt drive is a HDMI adapter that goes to a second monitor.

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Posted on Jan 30, 2025 12:43 PM

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Feb 1, 2025 10:06 AM in response to HWTech

Thanks for your input. I found all of your information very useful and appreciate the time you took to respond. I believe the issue is with the Mac mini Pro. It’s more finicky with the four-drive enclosure compared to the older Mac mini 2014. Each drive in the enclosure has its own switch, so using two or even three drives works fine, but not four. I suspect my new Mac is having a problem with all four drives sharing a single bus…if that makes sense.


I’ve decided to splurge and purchase a new enclosure from OWC that supports Thunderbolt 3. I’ll install my frequently used drives in that enclosure, while the Chinese drive will serve as backup hard drives that only need to be powered on when a backup is required.


I will use this to support my second monitor instead of the adapter. Should be a lot more reliable and compatible right?

Jan 30, 2025 03:20 PM in response to tbirdvet

Thanks. It’s strange that the old 2014 Mac mini never had any issues with it. All my drives have their own power source, so I don’t need bus power to power them up. Additionally, attempting to use DiskUtilities on both of my old hard drives failed on the new Mac but worked on the old one. The drives are extremely slow, and even opening files takes a long time. I only use them for backup and then turn them off but I guess I will buy new ones.

Jan 31, 2025 11:52 PM in response to Vernon Alexander

Not all third party devices are compatible with M-series Macs and/or macOS. I'm not familiar with that brand so I cannot say whether it is compatible with Macs.


I have seen recent reports on this forum where one user mentioned they had issues with external drives unless those external drives were connected to a USB hub....that user happened to be using an unpowered hub, but it allowed their external drive to work. I'm guessing that the hub was acting like a filter/buffer which prevented the failure when connecting the drives directly to the Mac. I had a similar experience with a 2014 Mac Mini when using USB3 external drives.....if I didn't use a hub, then the USB ports on my Mini would become temporarily disabled until the computer was rebooted.


Your issue could also be caused by the cable being used. Have you tried using a high quality cable from a known & reputable brand?


It does concern me about the enclosure since the USB-C port is only marked as "Type-C" instead of being marked the appropriate symbol of the type of data transfer protocol it actually supports. It is ridiculous to mark it "Type-C" as it is evident by the connector itself. That port should either have a lightning bolt icon to indicate support for the Thunderbolt protocol, or it should have a trident symbol along with the USB version (3.x Gen y, or USB 4) and the speed it supports. Because of this, I would question the quality of this device and its compatibility.



Vernon Alexander wrote:

Is there a limit to how many drives can be accessed all at once?

macOS doesn't have a limitation that will affect you here.


Within that four bay enclosure when configured as JBOD? I don't know as it may depend on the device. What does their documentation say?


Why do I have to unplug the four enclosure drive in order to get the Mac to boot?

Apple computers scan all connected devices. Something with that scan is causing a problem.


Make sure you have the default Startup Disk in System Settings configured to be the internal macOS boot volume. If there is no default macOS Startup Disk, then the computer will scan everything for bootable volumes and make a choice on which one to select.


Could it be that these very old hard drives are having issues to lock up the system on startup?

Always a possibility. Another possibility is that one of the drives....especially an SSD could have compatibility issues with the enclosure. Not all SSDs are compatible with all devices.


Could it be this inexpensive USB C four drive enclosure from China?

Highly likely. You get what you pay for and most items from China are just cheap junk (cheap in both price & quality). Very few manufacturers actually provide quality products these days because they have to cheapen their quality products to compete with all the low cost junk everybody buys. Even traditionally good brands have cheapened their products in order to compete.


A two drive enclosure Thunderbolt 2 (3T and 1TSSD)

Sometimes multiple external devices even if connected to different physical ports on the computer can still cause compatibility issues between themselves. If you are daisy chaining them, then that possibility increases greatly.


Daisy chained to the Thunderbolt drive is a HDMI adapter that goes to a second monitor.

That could also potentially be causing a problem especially with a cheap Chinese product. Even a quality product may still have issues since there are various HDMI standards & protocols and lots of variations in monitors. I have found a lot of monitors these days don't even function well when connected directly to the computer without any other external devices connected. Unfortunately many products today are poorly designed and manufactured...even ones from name brands. Even Apple suffers from this disease these days.


The best way to troubleshoot a problem is by disconnecting all external devices except for those which are strictly necessary such as the Display and Keyboard & Mouse....plus the device you are testing. Even cables are extremely important.


Does this enclosure support Thunderbolt 3/4? If so, then you need to connect it to the rear USB-C ports on the Mini since they are the only USB-C ports which support the Thunderbolt protocol.


If the enclosure only supports the USB4 protocol, then the rear ports must be used as well.


If the enclosure only supports USB 3.x, then can be connected to the front USB-C ports. I have seen some people report issues when connecting USB drives to the rear ports on some of these M-series Desktop Macs.


Mar 4, 2025 02:56 PM in response to tbirdvet

I have a similar problem plugging two powered WD Elements drives through my a new Dell UltraSharp U2715H 27" 1440p Monitor. The monitor (also powered) acts as a hub, with the Elements drives plugged into it and then connected to the M4 Mac Mini Pro via Thunderbolt.


It will work for awhile but eventually I'll get a flashing orange power light, the Mac Mini shuts down and then it sends my Mac Mini into an eternal start up loop until I disconnect the drives from my hub.


The fact everything is powered says to me it isn't a bus overload issue.


I can plug the exact same hub configuration into my M1 MacBook Pro and it works flawlessly.


I'm seeing more and more other customers experiencing a similar issue with all sorts of different drive and hub configurations. You should be able to plug any drive or hub into a Thunderbolt port and it not send your Mini into a start up loop.


Extremely disappointed with what is obviously a hardware issue on Apple's end. I would like a solution as I bought the monitor and M4 Mac Mini at the same time to run this setup.


Mar 5, 2025 11:41 AM in response to Wozowski

Indeed, I believe the issue may stem from the Thunderbolt 5 ports on the mini pro. Some of my USB devices are not functioning correctly in the rear ports. Another individual informed me that any device plugged into these back Thunderbolt five ports must be Thunderbolt compatible, even if it is a USB-C device.


Overall, it appears that my newly acquired Mac Mini M4 lacks the stability I had anticipated.

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