Why do we still have passcodes when we use Face ID?

I’m sitting g here trying to unlock my iPad, which hasn’t been used in a few months and had since died and needed to be charged, at which point you need to enter a passcode to enable Face ID.


what has never made sense to me is how Face ID is supposed to be more secure if anyone can just try to enter the passcode even with Face ID enabled? And why is the passcode required to reenable it after cycling power? I would love to get back into my iPad, and while it very well could simply be that Face ID is a perfectly secure option even when cycling the power, I am still required to remember 6 digits that I have not used in over a year.


please don’t respond with alternatives like erasing the data and resetting the iPad, or unhelpful responses like “just remember the passcode next time.” There won’t be a next time if I can’t get in, and if I can’t get in then resetting it is the last resort.

Posted on Jan 25, 2025 07:19 PM

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Posted on Jan 25, 2025 08:12 PM

Contrary to what you may think a good passcode is more secure than face identification as Face ID (or Touch ID) can be spoofed. However a good passcode can also be defeated using passcode cracking tools so even it is not totally secure.


More info can be found here if you're still interested: https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/which-is-more-secure-face-id-touch-id-or-a-passcode/.


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Jan 25, 2025 08:12 PM in response to MillieWhopper

Contrary to what you may think a good passcode is more secure than face identification as Face ID (or Touch ID) can be spoofed. However a good passcode can also be defeated using passcode cracking tools so even it is not totally secure.


More info can be found here if you're still interested: https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/which-is-more-secure-face-id-touch-id-or-a-passcode/.


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Jan 26, 2025 03:43 AM in response to MillieWhopper

FaceID is very secure - and is significantly more secure than any credential that can be observed by an onlooker, captured by technical means when being used, or "given away" either deliberately or through social manipulation. However, biometric authentication is intentionally disabled in specific circumstances.


Your Passcode is indirectly responsible for much more than just unlocking your iPad. Without delving deeply into the device and iOS/iPadOS software security architectures, this being a complex topic beyond the immediate scope of this reply, perhaps suffice to say that the device Passcode unlocks the iPad's Secure Enclave (the iPad's security chip) within which cryptographic keys (required to decrypt data locally stored on the iPad) and the biometric data used by FaceID and TouchID. Until the iPad is initially unlocked, such as after restarting the iPad, biometric authentication is intentionally not enabled.


As documented by Apple in its Security Guide, for devices with TouchID or FaceID enabled, you device Passcode is required in the following circumstances…


A passcode or password is also required if the device is in any of the following states:

• The device has just been turned on or restarted

• The user has logged out of their Mac account (or hasn’t yet logged in).

• The user hasn’t unlocked their device for more than 48 hours.

• The user hasn’t used their passcode or password to unlock their device for 156 hours (six and a half days), and the user hasn’t used a biometric to unlock their device in

4 hours.

• The device has received a remote lock command

• The user exited power off / Emergency SOS by pressing and holding either volume button and the Sleep/Wake button simultaneously for 2 seconds and then pressing Cancel.

• There were five unsuccessful biometric match attempts (though for usability, the device might offer entering a passcode or password instead of using biometrics after a smaller number of failures).

When Face ID with a mask is enabled on an iPhone, it’s available for the next 6.5 hours after one of the following user actions:

• Successful Face ID match attempt (with or without a mask)

• Device passcode validation

• Device unlock with Apple Watch

Any of these actions extends the period by an additional 6.5 hours when performed.


The core security aspects of iOS/iPadOS cannot be altered by changing security settings. While you can choose to delete the Passcode from your iPad, this action will disable not only the Passcode, but also the Secure Enclave and all security functionality associated with it.



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