Moving from Mac mini early 2009 Yosemite to 2018 Mac mini Mojave
the mini internal hard drive has to be APFS, right
APFS is designed for SSD drives
my initial plan is to use the mini with HDD external drives (not APFS)
does anyone have any experience with this?
It is my understanding that if I were to install Mojave on an HDD external drive,
it would reformat the disk, right?
Mac mini (2018)
Pat Schaefer wrote:
#1 is done, the Mac mini has a ssd drive. I bought a ssd drive to use with it but don't plan to.
Not sure why you wouldn't. There's little to no downside to using an SSD. They might be problematic if you need to recover data from a failed drive because they store data differently than HDD, but with a backup strategy in place that issue is moot.
#2 is problematic, as I understand it, installation of Mojave automatically formats disk to ASPS.
Not as desired.
APFS is a better file management system. It is optimized for SSDs, but can be used on HDDs. A startup HDD might take somewhat of a performance hit under APFS, but not a deal-breaker hit for most.
Yosemite mail was when POP was still extant, so the software has option of storing on computer
So my workaround for mail backup is to manually copy from iCloud to old folder
I expect that is not possible with newer mail. So how to backup mail to my own computer.
Yosemite Mail is problematic moving forward, as are Mojave and Catalina mail and browsers as well. The mail, browser and network apps running in obsolete and unsupported OS versions will continue to decline in secure capability as time goes by. Websites continue to require modern secure browsers to access, and browsers that run in obsolete OSs are losing on that front. The community is full of posts asking why someone can't access their fav bank or shopping website anymore. Your '18 mini can run the latest OS browsers and will continue to remain relevant for the foreseeable future.
APFS https://umatechnology.org/understanding-apfs-the-new-file-system-from-apple/
Confusion about copy and clone
Did you finally read the conclusion of that article on APFS?
❝Its innovative features are geared toward handling the demands of current and future storage technologies, particularly the increasing ubiquity of solid-state drives.❞ and
❝the overall advantages of APFS position it as a forward-looking file system designed to evolve❞
Mojave is as far as I go
Catalina not intel software friendly.
32 but not a problem
Everything developed for the Mac since 2018/2019 is written for a modern OS using 64-bit coding. The applications are impressive. The hardware is impressive. The data is secure, the bugs get fixed and the support is there.
The world turns regardless of whether we want it to or not.
https://bombich.com/blog/2019/09/12/analysis-apfs-enumeration-performance-on-rotational-hard-drives
finally some real info.
and also from bombich light on apples direction for MAXIMUM security.
its not a copyright or a trade secret
but soon copying of a system file vill be strictly VERBOTEN
that takes away lots of things we have taken for granted : (
Thank you for the upvote. Appreciated. 👍🏽
My statements above are focused on installing Mojave on an external HDD because you asked, and I'll stick by them. But I will clarify.
Mojave does require the boot volume to be APFS formatted and it will convert a Mac OS Extended (HFS+) formatted volume to APFS during installation regardless if the drive is HDD or SSD.
Here's where it gets interesting: with an external HDD or SSD formatted with HFS+, one can add an APFS partition to that drive and install Mojave to that, without erasing the drive or losing data already saved to it.
And just because the boot volume is APFS, that doesn't preclude the computer from accessing any of your data on drives that are otherwise formatted with HFS+, FAT32, ExFAT or NTFS.
Mojave on an APFS boot volume, including the internal drive, does not alter the format of external storage drives. And those drives can use any Mac compatible format.
From your linked article:
❝Does this mean I should avoid using APFS on my HDDs?
No, let's not throw out the baby with the bath water. APFS has loads of really nice features, like snapshots and volume space sharing. Managing volumes within an APFS container is a dream compared to the older method of preallocating space to specific partitions. It's important to understand why we might expect to see performance differences between the two filesystems and when that might impact your use of the filesystem, but this one performance aspect on its own isn't enough reason to avoid it.❞ - bombich.com/blog (emphasis mine)
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My Apple future
New apple mac os require ASPS format
ASPS format designed for SSD
ASPS format can run on HDD
Trade off: runs slower but better backup
Apple burned by intellectual property laws
Tried copyright, no try trade secret like google
Come up with own solution to prevent copying software
Hides the software inside a secure wrapper
Software is copyrighted but more than that
It cannot be copied because of security blanket
Old Use Case: buy apple computer
Fill it up
Buy bigger external hard drive
Attach to apple computer
Copy system on apple computer's internal HD to external HDD
Work off system on external HDD
Fill it up …
Buy a new apple computer …
No work if cannot copy System files.
Only apple being able to copy system files is the same thing.
I don't see a NEW apple computer in my future
Hunker down with 2018 Mac mini
Keep old software
Enjoy thunderbolt 3 / usb 3 speed
New setup:
2018 Mac mini running Mojave
All system and application files
8 Tb thunderbolt 3 HDD
4 Tb ss usb 3.0 HDD (old Yosemite system)
ALL other files stored here but no cloned system.
Anything that does not have to be on startup disk or cannot use links.
YMMV
Oh not interested in APFS at all.
Also have lots of IOS
which I back up to my Mac mini
Actually mail doesn't work on Yosemite.
well it "works" but cannot send any mail
server certificate is bad.
Not sure if this falls under
cheap or incompetent
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Moving into my 2018 Mac mini questions
