How do I remove Apple Inteligence from all my devices?

I don’t want any Large Language Model or Machine Learning, or to use the incorrect term, Artificial Intelligence, on any of my devices. Mainly for moral and ethical reasons (it is a system that relies on and promotes the theft of intellectual property) but also because it is not Artificial Intelligence. Artificial Intelligence would clean my toilet and iron my laundry and leave the fun stuff like making music and writing poetry to the people, who have genuine life experience and emotions to communicate to each other. Will it be possible to continue using Macintosh without the Apple Intelligence scam? Or do I have to finally abandon Macintosh? An option that Apple has been pushing me towards for a while now.

Mac mini (M1, 2020)

Posted on Jan 2, 2025 11:55 AM

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Posted on Jan 8, 2025 04:58 AM

ThomasAkinheadsMate wrote:

I don’t live in the dark ages, but I certainly do not require or want in any form so-called Apple Intelligence, i will only purchase another Apple device if it is possible to remove Ai in its entirety

So, you likely just won't own any smart phone in the future. None of them let you remove what is built into the operating system. Not Android. Not Google. None. You won't likely buy another computer with either MacOS or Windows either. Windows has CoPilot, which you can't remove. A much simpler thing to do is to not sign into these options as no one is forcing you to use them.


Since this is a user to user only forum, which Apple doesn't participate, we honestly don't care if you ever buy another Apple device. Apple won't see your threat here.

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Jan 8, 2025 04:58 AM in response to ThomasAkinheadsMate

ThomasAkinheadsMate wrote:

I don’t live in the dark ages, but I certainly do not require or want in any form so-called Apple Intelligence, i will only purchase another Apple device if it is possible to remove Ai in its entirety

So, you likely just won't own any smart phone in the future. None of them let you remove what is built into the operating system. Not Android. Not Google. None. You won't likely buy another computer with either MacOS or Windows either. Windows has CoPilot, which you can't remove. A much simpler thing to do is to not sign into these options as no one is forcing you to use them.


Since this is a user to user only forum, which Apple doesn't participate, we honestly don't care if you ever buy another Apple device. Apple won't see your threat here.

Jan 3, 2025 07:21 AM in response to etresoft

You were doing great until the last sentence! Windows uses Co-Pilot, which is their version of Artificial Intelligence. Google uses Gemini. The fact is no modern device out there can be purchased without built-in access to AI tools.


I would suggest to anyone who doesn't want anything to do with Artificial Intelligence, to never own a Smart phone, tablet or computer at all. That would solve their problem completely.

Jan 3, 2025 06:00 AM in response to stephenfromokehampton

stephenfromokehampton wrote:

I chose "Skip for Now" but every so often a red circle shows on the settings icon, when I go to look it turns out to be an Apple Intelligence reminder. I have already chosen to skip that part, I don't need to be constantly reminded that I have skipped it.

This is the way Apple iCloud features have worked for at least a decade. If you "skip" a setup, you will be reminded about it. You don't have to enable the feature, but you do have to go into the setup panel and manually close it.


This is not some conspiracy by Apple. This is simply Apple's side of a billion+ customers. I'm sure they get a very large number of people complaining that the iCloud, Apple Intelligence, etc. isn't working. That's because they skipped it during setup and it isn't configured yet. It's just a way to keep support costs down and enable people to fix problems on their own.


I dont find it scary, I have tried various "AI" systems and I find I don't need it and and don't want to loose hard drive space to something I will never use.

No one cares. Whether you are frightened, annoyed, incensed, etc. We just don't care. We are like Apple. We enjoy helping people who post on these forums with interesting problems. So when you come here complaining about not wanting to use a feature and complaining that the "off" switch isn't good enough, we just don't care.


Apple Intelligence is not at all like the AI that is being pushed by billionaires elsewhere. If, for some reason, you did want that junk, then there is yet another "off" switch that you can choose to leave in the off position, if you so desire.


And if none of that is good enough, then chuck your Mac in the trash can and get yourself a Windows PC or Google Android where you will never have to worry about AI ever again in your life.

Jan 2, 2025 12:32 PM in response to stephenfromokehampton

stephenfromokehampton wrote:

it is a system that relies on and promotes the theft of intellectual property

OK. So that makes one person on the internet who understands AI. 😄

Artificial Intelligence would clean my toilet and iron my laundry and leave the fun stuff like making music and writing poetry to the people, who have genuine life experience and emotions to communicate to each other.

How about we meet halfway? No one gets paid to clean toilets or do laundry, but music and poetry gets created by AI, for free, and then licensed (not sold) to you for (private) use over a limited time frame.


Will it be possible to continue using Macintosh without the Apple Intelligence scam?

Yes. You don't have to enable any of the AI options. However, if you tried it, I bet you would feel a lot better about it. Once you realize just had awful it is, it doesn't seem to scary. Don't get me wrong. It's wildly popular because so many people simply can't tell the difference between quality and junk.

Jan 3, 2025 05:11 AM in response to etresoft

"How about we meet halfway? No one gets paid to clean toilets or do

laundry, but music and poetry gets created by AI, for free, and then

licensed (not sold) to you for (private) use over a limited time frame. "But I do want my toilet cleaned and my laundry done, and while I can do it myself, I am prepared to pay to have it done for me because I would prefer to use the time to write my own poetry and make my own music or to read and listen to the poetry and music of other people. I am old enough to remember being told that computers would take the dreary routine tasks, leaving people with time to learn and grow. Somewhere it got twisted, computers are being taught the fun stuff and leaving dreary routine to the people. Mabe the ones building the "AI" just see the creative side of being human as a routine dreary way to create content and not as a fun thing and a contribution to human growth?

Jan 3, 2025 08:06 AM in response to lobsterghost1

lobsterghost1 wrote:

You were doing great until the last sentence! Windows uses Co-Pilot, which is their version of Artificial Intelligence. Google uses Gemini. The fact is no modern device out there can be purchased without built-in access to AI tools.

I was just ranting. I'm well aware that AI is all the rage everywhere. But I'm also aware that people don't accept what I tell them. Sometimes, life lessons require a personal cost before they can be actualized. That cost might come in the form of the $399.99 price for the new Samsung Galaxy Tab S9 FE - 128GB - Grey, now on sale at Staples.


I doubt there is anyone more opposed to AI than I am. Yet, I do have most AI features enabled on my Sequoia test machine. I tried Image Playground and found it technically powerful, but aesthetically amateurish and childish. I see the suggestions it constantly recommends when I'm typing, and I purposefully ignore them. I'm aware of the "summarize" features available, but there's no way I would be foolish enough to use that. I'm not about to use ChatGPT. That's complete nonsense. I even tried it a while back for a programming task that AI should be ideally suited to solve. It failed spectacularly.


If there are other AI features running in the background, then I'm unaware of them. Or at least I'm unaware of any noticeable improvements they have made on previous OS versions.


I always keep a couple hundred GB of free storage available, so that isn't an issue either.


(Why yes, I do consider Sequoia to be perfectly usable for testing purposes. In a few years, if all goes well, it might even be my production operating system!)

Jan 3, 2025 09:14 AM in response to lobsterghost1

lobsterghost1 wrote:

I'm not AI adverse in any way. I think folks who are, are just going to be frustrated as it's here and will be ever more present in our futures.

I'm not going to argue about it. All I can do is sympathize with the anti-AI sentiment and recommend keeping the AI switch in the default "off" position.


It seems that the OP was looking for a fight, so perhaps they would be more agreeable about arguing the relative merits of AI.

Jan 3, 2025 09:38 AM in response to etresoft

etresoft wrote:


lobsterghost1 wrote:

I'm not AI adverse in any way. I think folks who are, are just going to be frustrated as it's here and will be ever more present in our futures.
I'm not going to argue about it. All I can do is sympathize with the anti-AI sentiment and recommend keeping the AI switch in the default "off" position.

It seems that the OP was looking for a fight, so perhaps they would be more agreeable about arguing the relative merits of AI.

And I'm not arguing either. We are all entitled to our views.

Jan 3, 2025 10:15 AM in response to lobsterghost1

lobsterghost1 wrote:

And I'm not arguing either. We are all entitled to our views.

But our views need to be flexible, and regularly reviewed. By happenstance, I just saw someone mention a new Chinese AI engine called DeepSeek. It looks and works very much like ChatGPT. But when I tried a couple of functions from my little project to convert a ton of Python unit tests to Objective-C, it worked much better than ChatGPT. I might have to revisit this idea now.

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