Nests of bugs in macOS Ventura Stage Manager?

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Nests of bugs in macOS Ventura Stage Manager?

After watching one of the very informative "ScreencastsOnline video tutorials on Ventura, I decided to try Stage Manager. At first, it appeared to be a nearly miraculous cure for my cluttered mind's mess of a cluttered DeskTop. However, just a few days' exploration later, I find that as much as I love it in concept, I cannot use it in reality, because it's littered with more bugs than the piping of a flophouse hotel mattress.

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Windows from Mail.app and Safari will unpredictably balloon to larger than my screen, with neither the "stoplight" icons in the left edge of the title bar nor the resize grab handles on the right and bottom available. Swapping the onscreen groups doesn't help.
At times, attempting to change from one group of actors to another produces a virtual paralysis of the entire production, with the only movement on screen being a transient quiver from a tapped group. I'm wondering if this behavior might somehow be related to third party apps that don't yet know how to follow the Stage Manager's instructions, because I've seen it happen then BusyCal and See Finance are among my "managed" actors.

For now, I've stopped using it. I'm wondering if others are having similar issues.

MacBook Pro

Posted on Feb 21, 2023 6:11 AM

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Feb 21, 2023 6:22 AM in response to JimRobertson

See this article with instructions Use Stage Manager to organize apps and windows on Mac - Apple Support

If the problems persist, this is likely a software bug as the feature is relatively new and should be fixed in a future update. Make sure you are running on macOS 13.2.1

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Feb 21, 2023 6:57 AM in response to MacOSVentura

Thanks for responding, but I've already invested more time in exploring this new interface feature than is to be learned by reading the Apple Support Document. My question was not whether there might be bugs in this new interface. There are always bugs in software. My question was whether they were frequent and show stoppers, and whether others found them as limiting as I have.

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Feb 21, 2023 7:42 AM in response to JimRobertson

JimRobertson wrote:

My question was whether they were frequent and show stoppers, and whether others found them as limiting as I have.

I don't use Mail so I can't comment on how that application behaves with Stage Manager. I've had no problems with Safari, though. And I'm not seeing the freezing that you describe. If you think it's third-party applications, try not using them with Stage Manager and see if it makes a difference. Also, contact their developers.

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Feb 21, 2023 7:54 AM in response to IdrisSeabright

I don't know for certain that third party apps are a necessary contributor to the problems I'm seeing, but if you're using a 3rd party client and not having issues at least we know that just the fact of using a third party app of any type is not itself sufficient to cause them.

I'm not a tech guru. For example, I thought that looking at the "full" email headers would disclose the name of the email client used to compose them, but I don't find that information when looking at the message that originated from you (but then, your response came not from a separate email client, but rather Apple's User Community Web interface, at least partly negating what I said in the preceding paragraph. I'll turn Stage Manager back on and see if the problems return when I'm not actively running any 3rd party apps.

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Feb 21, 2023 8:02 AM in response to JimRobertson

JimRobertson wrote:

.For example, I thought that looking at the "full" email headers would disclose the name of the email client used to compose them, but I don't find that information when looking at the message that originated from you (but then, your response came not from a separate email client, but rather Apple's User Community Web interface, at least partly negating what I said in the preceding paragraph.

Just to be clear, I am not the one who sent you an email message so you would not see any indication of what program I used. The email message was an automated notification sent by the forum software. I just looked at an email that was sent to me by a friend. I don't see any indication of the software she used in the full header. I could be missing it as there's a huge amount of information there.

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Feb 21, 2023 8:15 AM in response to IdrisSeabright

No offense intended, Idris, but my last post included my realization that yours didn't come from an email client, but rather from Apple's own web forum interface.

I've already managed to freeze my own Stage Managed interface once again (temporarily) just by activating the Control Panel, but dismissing the Control Panel "thawed" it again. Of course, there were non-Apple processes running; e.g., AgileBits's 1Password for Safari.

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Feb 21, 2023 8:26 AM in response to JimRobertson

JimRobertson wrote:

No offense intended, Idris, but my last post included my realization that yours didn't come from an email client, but rather from Apple's own web forum interface.

I was clarifying that it not only came from their interface, it came from Apple, that I had nothing to do with it being sent. But, I seem to not be helping your situation so, I'll withdraw.

Best of luck.

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