disappearing dialogs

Hi,

my Mac notoriously and randomly doesn't show some dialogs. Most often it happens when I'm trying to save a file - I click "Save as..." and... nothing happens. Pretty annoying, isn't it? Or recently I tried to print something to a PDF, I got the print dialog, clicked the "PDF" and selected "Save as PDF" from the dropdown as Apple's article says but again - nothing happens.


Any idea how to make this thing work? I'm running Monterey 12.5.1 with many windows open on few virtual desktops, dual-monitor setup.

Posted on Oct 25, 2022 12:37 AM

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Posted on Oct 25, 2022 04:27 AM

Q - " I highly doubt it would be a malware with an AV running on my system, but I'm running a full scan right now just in case."


Part 1 of 3


There are no known Windows-like Viruses in the wild that self replicate and affect macOS, because of the underling UNIX  Foundation and Permission Limitation. 


Additionally, and specific to Big Sur macOS 11 and Monterey macOS 12 and Ventura macOS 13, the Operating System resides in a Sealed and Read Only Volume that can not be opened by the User and protects against from “ Bad Actor “ Software.


The Only thing this Antivirus software is protecting is the Bank Account of the Developers and for zero return to the User aside from the problems this software creates.


AntiVirus Developers purposefully Market their product to create a “ Fear Factor “. In so doing, creating a False Need for their Product.


The The Built in Security  is all that is required to protect the computer.


Part 2 of 3


Certain Applications maybe available on the Apple Apps Store - this only means the Developer is prepared to pay Apple a portion on each sale. What the Application may do to the computer is up to the User to check this out before purchase


Any of the below should be removed as per Developers Instructions


This will include CleanMyMac , This will include BitDefender


This will included Norton Antivirus , Sophos Av Software


Intego AntiVirus, McAfee, MacKeeper, Avast AntiVirus


Ad Guard, Webroot , ESET , Kaspersky Antivirus. Anti virus


AVG AntiVirus   PowerMyMac 


Trustee  Total AV


Read some of the posting and arrive at your own conclusions.


Part 3 of 3


It is amazing that some users are prepared to download AV Software from whatever Source which is not required on macOS for non existent Viruses but have issues downloading an Application that is reported to be even used by Apple Support to diagnose computer issues.


User Choice and good luck with this computer issue

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Oct 25, 2022 04:27 AM in response to bartekmo

Q - " I highly doubt it would be a malware with an AV running on my system, but I'm running a full scan right now just in case."


Part 1 of 3


There are no known Windows-like Viruses in the wild that self replicate and affect macOS, because of the underling UNIX  Foundation and Permission Limitation. 


Additionally, and specific to Big Sur macOS 11 and Monterey macOS 12 and Ventura macOS 13, the Operating System resides in a Sealed and Read Only Volume that can not be opened by the User and protects against from “ Bad Actor “ Software.


The Only thing this Antivirus software is protecting is the Bank Account of the Developers and for zero return to the User aside from the problems this software creates.


AntiVirus Developers purposefully Market their product to create a “ Fear Factor “. In so doing, creating a False Need for their Product.


The The Built in Security  is all that is required to protect the computer.


Part 2 of 3


Certain Applications maybe available on the Apple Apps Store - this only means the Developer is prepared to pay Apple a portion on each sale. What the Application may do to the computer is up to the User to check this out before purchase


Any of the below should be removed as per Developers Instructions


This will include CleanMyMac , This will include BitDefender


This will included Norton Antivirus , Sophos Av Software


Intego AntiVirus, McAfee, MacKeeper, Avast AntiVirus


Ad Guard, Webroot , ESET , Kaspersky Antivirus. Anti virus


AVG AntiVirus   PowerMyMac 


Trustee  Total AV


Read some of the posting and arrive at your own conclusions.


Part 3 of 3


It is amazing that some users are prepared to download AV Software from whatever Source which is not required on macOS for non existent Viruses but have issues downloading an Application that is reported to be even used by Apple Support to diagnose computer issues.


User Choice and good luck with this computer issue

Oct 25, 2022 08:41 AM in response to bartekmo

There is Adware & Malware, which are not Viruses, which will affect the computer and is generally downloaded from “ Shady “ Websites or Developers who Inject this software into the download.


That would generally require the User ( you ) to purposely download and give Expressed Consent ( computer Password ) to install and run on this computer.


That is an Overt and Purposeful Action on the part of the User.


It is suggested the user refer back to Part 1 of 3 above but incased it was over looked here is is again


" Additionally, and specific to Big Sur macOS 11 and Monterey macOS 12 and Ventura macOS 13, the Operating System resides in a Sealed and Read Only Volume that can not be opened by the User and protects against from “ Bad Actor “ Software. "


Any Malware / Adware would only effect the Account on which it was installed.


There has been sufficient advise offered, from more than one Contributor, for the User ( you ) to make an informed and educated choice what the next course of action is required for this computer.


The suggestions have been put forth on a volunteer basis, in good faith and in the best interests of the computer.

Oct 25, 2022 03:46 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1

Thanks for the quick answer. I highly doubt it would be a malware with an AV running on my system, but I'm running a full scan right now just in case. BTW, the same application which triggered this post after closing and starting again now can save 🤷‍♂️


TBH, I'm a bit hesitant to run some random software downloaded from the internet, especially if it's a closed, removed (kicked out?) from AppStore, rarely developed (6 commits in last 3 years), single person project coming from a guy with close to zero online presence and address directing to some co-working office in a small town in Canada (I have nothing against Canada, quite opposite, but it doesn't help here). Seriously, everything except for recommendations on this forum scream "don't come close".

Oct 25, 2022 08:24 AM in response to Owl-53

Lol, guys make up your mind - basic functionality of OS is randomly failing "because I have malware" or "malware for MacOS does not exist", or "all security software is malware itself"?


It is amazing that some people claim that the whole cybersecurity industry is a scam and in order to stay secure it's enough to not download software from unknown sources but at the same time encourage others to download software published on a private site by an anonymous developer with no audits whatsoever.


BTW, I did download and run it and I regret the risk - it doesn't do sh*t (at least in the foreground, who knows what it really did). Some animated progress bar and then an empty report window.

Oct 25, 2022 08:47 AM in response to bartekmo

Nobody said that there is no malware!


There are no viruses, which is a specific type of malware. A virus is a piece of software that can replicate itself and install onto a computer without any user intervention, corrupting existing code - much like a biological virus.

This does not exist for the mac (and barely exists for current windows versions, as their security is much better than it used to be). In Big Sur and later, the OS itself is mounted in a sealed volume so it cannot be modified when running..


All the malware that can affect your mac is of the social engineering variety: it requires YOU, the user, to be tricked into installing stuff. If you allow something to be installed, the "antivirus" software is not able to protect you from yourself, and it is not going to prevent from a nonexistent virus threat.


So any program that calls itself an "antivirus" is lying to you, and doing nothing but getting your money.


There is real cybersecurity, and there are scams that pass themselves off as cybersecurity.

MalwareBytes is a program by a respected security expert - note that it does not call itself "antivirus". So no, we are also not conflating cybersecurity with scams.

Your mac has a pretty **** good security built-in, and frequently updated. However, some users choose to turn that off, and instead install scams like "cleanmymac"... yes, this a well known scam, but people keep falling for it and giving them their money.


And when we ask the daily victims of this scam to run a simple diagnostic program, created by a respected member of this community, with the very purpose of helping people with their mac issues, they suddenly become suspicious... oh well.




Oct 25, 2022 02:33 PM in response to Luis Sequeira1

To be precise virus does not install itself, but rather injects its code into other binary files. But I believe that's what you meant by "corrupting existing code". Quick research shows that unfortunately Mach-O format is not immune to infections (however obviously infection will break the signature... unless file gets unsigned and OS settings allow running files without signature). I must admit though this seems to be a purely theoretical possibility and I haven't seen references to anything running in the wild.


Sealed volumes can be accessed by users and some files in /Applications can be changed easily without even escalating privs. While modifying executables will likely break the seal on a sealed volume (I'm not bored enough to research that part properly), modifying other files in / doesn't seem to be any problem. I just did it on my Big Sur.


"All the malware requires user to install stuff"? Nope. Let's take a story from 2021 where a compromised website of D100 radio was exploiting CVE-2021-1789 vulnerability in WebKit and escalating through CVE-2021-30869 to install a payload targeted against HongKong activists. Users didn't have to agree to anything, it just worked.


"Antivirus would not be able to protect me from myself"? No idea what you mean here as if I tried to install a malicious software, or even just save it on the drive an antivirus would drop it immediately from storage thus protecting me from myself (or anyone else). You are aware that antivirus software detects all types of malware, not just PE viruses, right?


MalwareBytes is one of many antivirus vendors, maybe not the one with the highest but with decent scores. It's a bit weird that you praise this one and call all their competitors a scam. BTW yes, they admit themselves that "antivirus" and "anti-malware" is the same thing, and yes they do promise to "crush viruses, ransomware, and other malware in real time - so your Mac runs like it should". oops, maybe choose your references more carefully :)


Very interesting discussion, thank you for the motivation to refresh my view on the malware landscape. It certainly didn't push me an inch towards making sure my Mac displays "Save As" dialog every time it should, but it was not entirely wasted time.

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