iCloud Photos and Finder sync conflict on iPad Pro

In the process of learning what it means to switch from syncing photos (and a few other things) via the Mac Finder approach and instead switching to iCloud backup.  


I have essentially three devices, a Macbook computer, an iPadPro and an iPhone 14 Pro.  For now, just looking at the iPadPro, I DO have photos on that device “synced” via the Finder and my Macbook computer…. 


When I first tried to switch on “iCloud Photos” on that iPadPro, the attached message popped up..  It says “photos and videos synced from Finder will be Removed.  Syncing photos and videos via Finder is not supported when iCloud Photos is turned on”…. 


I understand that it’s an either/or thing, that you can’t both backup to iCloud Photos AND sync to the Finder at the same time…. Gotta be one or the other…. Got it…


Here is what scares me and is where I need help…. See in the picture that I have 18,135 photos and videos…. Don’t want to lose them!!!!!  And they way these devices all talk and see each other these days, my worst fear is to see them disappear from all three of my devices when I finally get courageous and click on the “Remove Photos and Videos” button on the iCloud setup area on the iPadPro…. 


What will happen?? Will they disappear from the iPad and then reappear???  Or what??? And please tell me they will at least stay on both my iPhone (the source for all) and on my Mac computer as well????


I have a couple of followup questions but let me start there and ask the other stuff later…. 


Any help would be much appreciated…




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Original Title: Can't have photos both sync'd to Finder in macOS and also backed up in iCloud Photos... Understood but...

iPad Pro (5th generation)

Posted on Aug 30, 2025 04:01 PM

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Aug 31, 2025 01:06 PM in response to Richard.Taylor

Oh they are backed up, just last night (I clone often) to two external drives. So a backup to the backup... But they are saved on those drives as a large (nearly 90 GBytes) file called "PhotosLibrary.photoslibrary".... See picture... I believed (hope) haven't tried it yet that that large file could be copied to the Photos folder on one of two other older MacBook Pros I own, that both run somewhat older versions of macOS... My hope would be that you could then open the photos on one of those older macs by changing the name of the folder that would already be there to say "PhotosLibrary(orig).photoslibrary" and then move this new folder into that same folder and now make THAT the active folder that would allow you to open your saved photos... I see on one of those Macs already a folder called "orig" so it would appear I did something like this once before, years ago...

Sep 1, 2025 06:49 AM in response to Robert Paris

The Photos Library has everything in it. That's the right thing to copy. But it can't be run on an older version of Photos, since it will have more and different things in its database. And iPhoto is a completely different program, discontinued over 10 years ago, and just like changing a picture's jpg extension to XLXS doesn't let you edit pictures in Excel, you can't just change the extension to run a Photos Library in iPhoto. They a re different programs. A newer Library can't be made compatible with an older app. The only way that different versions of Photos can view the same pictures is by using iCloud.


If you sent those copies to disks that are formatted in either APFS format or Mac OS Extended (Journaled) format, then you can run them from there. But, if the disks are NOT formatted like this, DO NOT attempt to run the Library from these drives. They need to be copied to an appropriately formatted drive before they can be safely run.


Do you have a From My Mac section in Photos on your iPad? If so, are those pictures in Photos on your Mac? It's those pictures that might be at risk, so you should be sure you have copies of them saved on your Mac.




Sep 1, 2025 11:18 AM in response to Richard.Taylor

Hi Richard... Thanks for the response... Elsewhere on AD, I posted about a horrible experience where my iPhone 14 Pro FAILED in a recent 18.6 to 18.6.1 update, an update that I and apparently only a very few Apple users have done for all the years of iPhone and iPad via a Finder connected update on my MacBook Pro... That's a whole other and huge story but after a ton of very good helpful from an Apple Support supervisor who spent hours on the phone with me, we were able to "restore" (after THREE attempts to UPDATE all failed) the iPhone to its factory setting and then (oh so thankful I always backup before any update) we were able to restore the phone from the backup (whew)... Then, 5 days later when an iPad update from 18.6 to 18.6.2 (18.6.1 was ONLY for iPhone, first time I recall EVER having seen an update just for the phone), the iPad also bricked with an "unknown error"... Hmmmm... But I had enough knowledge by that time that I was able to save the iPad on my own doing only a first (so really 2nd since the 1st failed and bricked the device) "update" from the "restore" or "update" emergency screen... Enough of that...


But I do need to say that is what prompted me to abandon Finder updates where I DID always "sync" ONLY the iPad but not the iPhone (syncing the iPhone risked giving me two copies of all pictures that actually happened to me in the past)... I've had reasons not to use iCloud in the past but I'm using it NOW!!!!


So yes, my clones ARE both on 1 TB APFS formatted external drives... In the not so distant past macOS was such that one could actually boot and run from these cloned drives... But that went away a number of upgrades of macOS ago... So I still use "cloning software" (SuperDuper and Carbon Copy Cloner) but it's not to try to boot from those drives but just to have ALL the data stored on both of those drives... So what are you saying about "run them from there"???? Are you saying I could plug them in to my main computer, a 2021 MacBook Pro (Sequoia 15.6.1), then go into the cloned drive where "Photos Library.photslibrary" lives


/Users/xxxxx/Pictures


and just what (?), double click that huge library file??? Say more about what would happen if I did that??? Or say more about what you were suggesting... My entire point is I want a backup of all 18,000+ of my photos and that I know I could use to recover all my photos should my computer fail or get lost...


And regarding your last question, I went into photos on my iPad, clicked on the user icon in the upper right corner but I do NOT see anything that says "From My Mac"... Tell me where I might look for that??? But I will say that YES, ONLY on my iPad but not on my iPhone (cause all pictures originate on the iPhone), I DO put a check mark in ALL PHOTOS before I do a FINDER SYNC so the iPad pictures truly are synced through the finder... So yes, I understand the message (see my picture further above) about "photos and videos synced from Finder" will be removed" but they need one more sentence to say "FROM WHERE"???? If it's everywhere that would be terrible... If it's just from the iPad which I'm guessing is the answer then I would ask and what is going to put them back on there??? iCloud later??? I just need to know I'm not going to lose all my photos from say my iPhone or my Mac... That would be way bad... Sorry for the long post... thoughts???

Sep 2, 2025 07:07 AM in response to Robert Paris

Robert Paris wrote:… So what are you saying about "run them from there"???? Are you saying I could plug them in to my main computer, a 2021 MacBook Pro (Sequoia 15.6.1), … and just what (?), double click that huge library file???

It doesn't matter where the Photos Library is (with some restrictions,) when you double click on it, Photos opens it. Many people keep their Libraries on external drives. The restrictions are that the volume must be properly formatted and local-- that is, not on iCloud Drive or on a NAS or on any other networked type setup. With newer SSDs with nearly 1000 MB/s transfer speeds over USBc, you can't see much difference. Also, Spotlight searches from the Mac won't penetrate the Library database, and there are some funny things with location lookup, but that's all.


I use Time Machine to do daily incremental backups, recording only the changes that have occurred since the last backup. It's fast, but it does mean that a Photos Library needs to go through a TM Restore process to put it all back together. I also do monthly (more or less) direct copies of the Libraries to another drive, and I keep the last few months. So I rely on multiple backups. Because I use a MacBook, I don't want a drive hanging from my port as I move around, so I keep my "Favorites" Library on my internal drive, and I keep lots of other stuff on a small one ounce SSD that I carry with me.


And regarding your last question, I went into photos on my iPad, clicked on the user icon in the upper right corner but I do NOT see anything that says "From My Mac"... Tell me where I might look for that???

"From My Mac" would be an album. Some transfer methods send pictures from a computer to the iPad/iPhone in a way that doesn't give Photos full control. Photos can show those pictures, but can't do much else-- Photos can't even trash the "From My Mac" pictures-- it must all be done from the computer. I don't have "From My Mac," but I think I did some time ago. I thought it was weird. Those pictures also won't transfer to iCloud.


… If it's just from the iPad which I'm guessing is the answer then I would ask and what is going to put them back on there???

You've got backups, and that alone should give you confidence. The Mac should be the main hub for you. It's way easier to work with pictures, edit, crop, type captions, use albums and folders, on a Mac than on a mobile device. iCloud Photos is a synchronization service. When you engage iCloud Photos on a device, then the Library on that device is kept exactly the same as the iCloud Photos Library. So, for instance, if you take a picture with your iPhone, it is added to the iPhone's Photos Library, copied to iCloud Photos Library, and then copied to the Photos Library on each of the other devices that you have connected. If you delete a picture on your Mac, then that picture is deleted at iCloud and on all the other devices. 


So, if you have your Mac connected to iCloud Photos, then all the pictures in your Mac's Library are also in the iCloud Photos Library with all the metadata, edits, comments, etc. You can go to iCloud.com and convince yourself that this is so. When you turn on iCloud on the iPad, Photos will make sure that all of the pictures at iCloud.com are transferred to the iPad. It could take awhile. My "Favorites" Library has about 150GB, and it might take a week for a full transfer.


Keep in mind that iCloud is designed primarily for mobile devices, and since syncing uses the battery, and since lots of people are very anxious about battery drain, the iPhone and iPad will avoid syncing when not plugged in. And since syncing uses processing power, and people hate slow-downs, iThings will avoid syncing while you use them. And since syncing requires bandwidth, the iPhone and iPad will avoid syncing when the internet connection is weak.


So, if you want faster syncing, then find good wifi, plug the phone in, and leave it alone. All this applies to a lesser extent for the Mac.



Sep 2, 2025 06:39 PM in response to Richard.Taylor

So if I was to take one of my backups that are contained on APFS formatted hard drives, connect to one of my MacBook pro's (some with newer versions of macOS's than others), what do you contend happens if I double click on one of those "Photos Library.photoslibrary". Will that open Photos at whatever version might be contained in that macOS version??? Seems like you once said NO considering different versions of Photos but now it seems like you're saying that maybe I could open that file (newest version of it) on even an older version of macOS??? I will just try it here soon but would still like to hear your thoughts??? thanks...

Sep 3, 2025 08:00 AM in response to Robert Paris

Robert Paris wrote: So if I was to take one of my backups that are contained on APFS formatted hard drives, connect to one of my MacBook pro's (some with newer versions of macOS's than others), what do you contend happens if I double click on one of those "Photos Library.photoslibrary".

If you open a Photos Library with a newer version of Photos, then the Library will be upgraded to match the new version. Older versions will no longer be able to use that Library. The best thing is for you to make a copy and try these things with the copy.


"The only way that different versions of Photos can view the same pictures is by using iCloud."



Sep 3, 2025 04:19 PM in response to Richard.Taylor

Thanks... On my list to do just that soon... Big files, about 100 GBytes but I can and will do what you suggest... Curious to see what happens... I just want to know if something real crazy should happen with me now investigating iCloud for the first time, that if something real strange happened, I want to know my 18,000+ photos are still safe...


One other question... I've added my iPhone data, or it looks like am still adding as the iPhone copying to iCloud is going somewhat slow, and as you say, iCloud is really more intended for mobile devices... So would you suggest I NOT add my Mac itself to the iCloud backup??? I ask that because for reasons I don't recall, my iPhone photos don't go back in time as far as they do on my MAC... I did that but I don't exactly remember how or why... So in fact, at some point I have to put that ALL pictures deal onto iCloud I think??? Or not... Confusing... And again, that MAC group is ALL on those cloned drives that we're talking about with the large Photo Library... Again, I will try what you suggest soon... thank for the help...

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