Has the (MS Word) functionality of the MathType equation editor improved in the past three years?

Hello


MathType dropped support with the Mac when they couldn't cope with sandboxing. (Endnote seemed to manage it though.) So, for the past five years or so, we have been forced to use an add-in. This add in was clunky, and it had much less functionality than MathType 6. For example, with the latter, if I were to be writing in Garamond, I could have an equation in Garamond. With the add-in, that was lost and I had to use a math font.


I cannot trial MathType because it recognises that I had a subscription, which I dropped because it had become rubbish.


When I was writing my PhD in Word 5 back in 1993, I was able to format complex equations that adhered to standards in formatting. That was lost with the add-in. It is bonkers that we have regressed so far that word processing equations is like it was in the 1980's. Good software needs to be able to insert an equation inline with the same font and size as the text, it needs to facilitate switches in italicisation to confirm with standards, e.g., e = 0.1602 aC, e = 2.718. It needs to be editable within Word. The final equation needs to look like it is part of the document rather than copy and pasted in. Ideally, the software should work with PowerPoint too.


Some people think the MS equation editor is good enough. It is, if you have low standards. It cannot use relevant fonts, it changes text size because it thinks it knows fractions better than you, and it seems to refuse to believe that π = 3.142 is upright (ISO 80000-2).


Other people think that LaTeX is good enough. It is, I suppose. I wrote a book in LaTeX and I survived. The equations could be made correctly. But it is not collaborative.


Maybe there is other software, but editing within Word seems to be the dealbreaker. I don't know if equatio is any good, but it is expensive.


Has anyone any experience of recent iterations of the MathType add-in? I don't care if it is clunky. I just want professional equations. Or any other software? Search hits generally refer to the switch to the add-in, which was a while ago.


Many thanks for reading this and for any thoughts you might have.


Regards


Mark

MacBook Pro 14″, macOS 15.6

Posted on Aug 16, 2025 4:31 AM

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Aug 16, 2025 5:58 AM in response to Gauss

Gauss wrote:

Has anyone any experience of recent iterations of the MathType add-in? I don't care if it is clunky. I just want professional equations. Or any other software? Search hits generally refer to the switch to the add-in, which was a while ago.

Have you considered Apple Pages?


I haven't used Word Equations in many years. I just tried it and wasn't impressed. Supposedly it supports LaTeX, but I couldn't paste in an equation or edit it later. I could do both with Pages. Pages supports MathML too, but I don't know anything about that. Pages also doesn't support any 3rd party modules or macros.

Aug 16, 2025 7:24 AM in response to Gauss

MathType (Wiris) is currently available only by subscription (64USD/yr) for Microsoft 365/Office 2021/2024 for Mac, Windows, and Google Workplace. One can get Office 2024 Home (129USD) or Home and Business (159USD) from Stacksocial dot com. This is where I got my 34USD Office 2021 for Mac Home and Business in the past. I do not use MathType.


A short (1 min) Microsoft video on how to insert/edit/transform equations in Word.


The Equation editor in Apple's Pages, Numbers, and Keynote applications accepts a subset of LaTeX or MathML and is discussed further in About LaTeX and MathML support in Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - Apple Support. Because Apple uses the blahtex translator for this purpose, there is a link to the blahtex PDF on the preceding link that defines what LaTeX syntax can be entered in the equation editor.


Of note is that exporting Pages documents to Word may unpredictably wrap longer equations such as this Jacobian equation in Pages v14.4 on Sequoia v15.6:



and how that opens in Word v16.100 on Sequoia v15.6:



If you edit that Word document without changing this wrapped equation and then save it, opening it in Pages again displays the equation properly as in the first image above. Should you open the Word document in the current LibreOffice Writer, that location of the equation is simply an empty object box.




Sep 8, 2025 3:51 AM in response to Gauss

Here is the LaTeX source from the Pages equation editor that created the Jacobian example above:

\begin{equation*}
\color{Blue}J = \begin{bmatrix}
\frac{\partial\mathit{f}}{\partial\mathit{x_\mathsf{1}}} & \cdots & \frac{\partial\mathit{f}}{\partial\mathit{x}_\mathit{n}}
\end{bmatrix} =
\begin{bmatrix}
\nabla f_1\\\vdots\\ \nabla {f_m}
\end{bmatrix} =
\begin{bmatrix}
\frac{\partial f_1}{\partial x_l} & \cdots & \frac{\partial f_l}{\partial x_n}\\
\vdots & \ddots & \vdots\\
\frac{\partial f_m}{\partial x_1} & \cdots & \frac{\partial f_m}{\partial x_n}
\end{bmatrix}
\end{equation*}


The way to clean up the wrapped equation in Word (e.g. v16.100.3) display mode is to click on the equation and from the right vertical selection bar that appears on the equation, choose Change to Inline.

I remember those 27 diskettes required to install Office v4.2 on my Powerbook 540C in 1994. Only Mac in a Windows equipped consulting unit.

Sep 7, 2025 11:55 AM in response to etresoft

Thank you for replying. So, you can see my pain! It is unbelievable, but there was more functionality in Word in 1993 than there is now!


The trouble with Pages is that it is not useful as a collaborative tool. People expect documents to come from Word. It's the same reason I can't deal with LaTeX. If I am writing for myself, I might consider LaTeX (rather than Pages) if there are a lot of equations, because it is fit for purpose. Mostly, I collaborate, which means I need Word.


Regards,


Mark

Sep 7, 2025 11:59 AM in response to VikingOSX

Hello,


Thank you for replying. I've just responded elsewhere, but your example is interesting. I'd probably not be worried about the equation wrapping. What would irritate me is the italicisation of, here, nabla.


I've never been interested in LibreOffice, and perhaps unsurprisingly, this does not convince me otherwise. I might play around with Pages given your example is not as bad as I feared. I worry about other incompatibilities. Endnote, for example.


Regards


Mark


Regards,


Mark

Sep 7, 2025 1:49 PM in response to Gauss

Gauss wrote:

It is unbelievable, but there was more functionality in Word in 1993 than there is now!

That's not unbelievable. The Mac was Word's primary platform in 1993. And it was really a different world back then.


The trouble with Pages is that it is not useful as a collaborative tool.

Neither was Word circa 1993. If your collaborators expect Word for Windows and they dictate your tools, then you have no option.


There are plenty of other options, but they might require a different set of collaborators. I don't think Word ever was a very welcome tool in the scientific community. I know my professors in grad school circa 1995 sure didn't appreciate it.


Have you considered Jupyter Notebooks? These days, that's the standard tool that people in my circles use.

Sep 7, 2025 2:56 PM in response to etresoft

Word 5.1, which introduced the equation editor was the point at which Windows caught up feature-wise, I think. (I think Word 5.1 was Mac only, but the Windows equivalent was similar, so I think it is unfair to say that it was primarily on the Mac. If you remember the next iteration in Office 4.2 totally screwed the Mac version.) But Claris had MacWrite in 1993, and I think at that time it wasn't so bad. But either way, I am now in a Windows world using a Mac, so I have no choice but to use Word. Anyway, my original complaint remains. It is 2025 and Word has gone backwards to the point that it was better 30 years ago, as it has on Windows too, but at least MathType works on that platform.

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