My loved 17" MacBook Pro early (2009) its starts then it other times NO! New HD?

17" MacBook Pro early (2009) I am now backing up from my time machine, having changed the battery hoping to sort the problem of starting not starting. A tech said it might need a new Hard Drive any thoughts ?


Posted on Jul 17, 2025 03:24 AM

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Posted on Jul 17, 2025 09:32 AM

I agree with @John Galt's astonishment that any reputable tech would just replace the battery without being 100% certain the battery was the source of the problem. The tech could easily have disconnected/removed the battery to verify the laptop was functioning properly....this is possible with those older Macs, but not the USB-C Macs.


A bad HD is a real possibility, but so is a GPU failure which was really common with the 15" & 17" models of the 2008-2011 models. Bad memory or a bad memory slot is also another possibility. There is no way to know without proper testing & troubleshooting. A reputable tech should have no problems performing these simple checks.


You can even try running the Apple Hardware Test which you should be able to access by booting from the 2nd DVD which originally shipped with your laptop from the factory. I forget if you need to hold down "C" or "D" to boot Apple Hardware Test from that 2nd DVD (I think it requires holding the "D" key). Unfortunately the diagnostics are unlikely to detect a bad GPU, and it may not even detected a failing Hard Drive unless that drive failure is severe enough. With a third party battery installed, the diagnostic may report that third party battery as being bad even if it is perfectly healthy. The only useful diagnostic is one which reports a failure (assuming all original OEM components).


You can try installing macOS onto an external USB drive, but keep in mind installing to and booting from a USB drive on this old laptop will be extremely slow due to the very slow USB2 port, however, it is good enough for testing the laptop. If booting from an external drive works fine, then most likely the issue is with the internal boot drive (software issue, file system issues, or even drive failure), however, if you have trouble installing or booting from the external boot drive, then it may point to a wider system issue or possibly a Hard Drive with a very severe failure.


Creating a bootable MemTest86 USB stick & booting from it is also a simple way to partially test the system. While not as informative as using a full macOS external boot drive, it may provide a bit of insight. Creating & booting from a Knoppix Linux USB stick is an option as well since it is a full non-Apple OS running entirely from memory once it boots. However, the system may appear frozen on the Apple boot picker menu while Knoppix is booting so you need to allow Knoppix some time to finish booting....this was one of my favorite ways for testing older systems.


FYI, here is an Apple article for various boot issues....I'm not sure if these articles are still completely accurate for such an old system (I doubt it mentions using your OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard Upgrade DVD to get started with reinstalling macOS so you can install macOS 10.11 El Capitan)....you may need to locate the comparable articles on the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine.

If your Mac doesn't start up all the way - Apple Support


Edit: Booting from a full macOS installation on an external drive or from a bootable Knoppix Linux USB stick will allow you to actually check the health of the internal drive.

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Jul 17, 2025 09:32 AM in response to alex prowse

I agree with @John Galt's astonishment that any reputable tech would just replace the battery without being 100% certain the battery was the source of the problem. The tech could easily have disconnected/removed the battery to verify the laptop was functioning properly....this is possible with those older Macs, but not the USB-C Macs.


A bad HD is a real possibility, but so is a GPU failure which was really common with the 15" & 17" models of the 2008-2011 models. Bad memory or a bad memory slot is also another possibility. There is no way to know without proper testing & troubleshooting. A reputable tech should have no problems performing these simple checks.


You can even try running the Apple Hardware Test which you should be able to access by booting from the 2nd DVD which originally shipped with your laptop from the factory. I forget if you need to hold down "C" or "D" to boot Apple Hardware Test from that 2nd DVD (I think it requires holding the "D" key). Unfortunately the diagnostics are unlikely to detect a bad GPU, and it may not even detected a failing Hard Drive unless that drive failure is severe enough. With a third party battery installed, the diagnostic may report that third party battery as being bad even if it is perfectly healthy. The only useful diagnostic is one which reports a failure (assuming all original OEM components).


You can try installing macOS onto an external USB drive, but keep in mind installing to and booting from a USB drive on this old laptop will be extremely slow due to the very slow USB2 port, however, it is good enough for testing the laptop. If booting from an external drive works fine, then most likely the issue is with the internal boot drive (software issue, file system issues, or even drive failure), however, if you have trouble installing or booting from the external boot drive, then it may point to a wider system issue or possibly a Hard Drive with a very severe failure.


Creating a bootable MemTest86 USB stick & booting from it is also a simple way to partially test the system. While not as informative as using a full macOS external boot drive, it may provide a bit of insight. Creating & booting from a Knoppix Linux USB stick is an option as well since it is a full non-Apple OS running entirely from memory once it boots. However, the system may appear frozen on the Apple boot picker menu while Knoppix is booting so you need to allow Knoppix some time to finish booting....this was one of my favorite ways for testing older systems.


FYI, here is an Apple article for various boot issues....I'm not sure if these articles are still completely accurate for such an old system (I doubt it mentions using your OSX 10.6 Snow Leopard Upgrade DVD to get started with reinstalling macOS so you can install macOS 10.11 El Capitan)....you may need to locate the comparable articles on the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine.

If your Mac doesn't start up all the way - Apple Support


Edit: Booting from a full macOS installation on an external drive or from a bootable Knoppix Linux USB stick will allow you to actually check the health of the internal drive.

Jul 17, 2025 05:41 AM in response to alex prowse

Thoughts. Since you asked, what was the tech's thinking behind his suggestion? No speculation, facts please.


More thoughts. Personally I would not invest a nickel in a Mac that old. As terrific as that particular model was in its day, and the fact Apple never replaced the 17" model with a display as large as that, it is of little practical use with anything requiring recent Internet security protocols. That means anything and everything Internet related (including email, browsing, App Store... etc) will present technological challenges that cannot be overcome due to the hardware limitations of its CPU, if nothing else.


Next, if you are bound and determined to keep using that Mac, personally I would not go through the trouble of reaching for a screwdriver to open its case unless you were to replace its hard disk drive with a SSD, and even then I would not recommend anything other than one sold by OWC / MacSales. Consider nothing else.


Next. That Mac shipped with two grey System and Applications Install DVDs that must accompany it from cradle to grave. If you no longer have, or can't find those DVDs, it's a show-stopper.


Finally. You wrote that you love that Mac. Love drives people to do all sorts of crazy things that make no sense. Working on that Mac makes no sense to me, but I'm not in love with it, you are.

Jul 18, 2025 07:02 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

First Thank you all for sending me your in depth views on this old 17 Mac Book, One of the main reasons for holding on to this machine is its ability to run a software called Poser11 an animation program that although not perfect has saved money for a charity I work with.


My 27 inch Mac runs Poser11 on

Mac OS High Sierra 10.13.6

A big ask can anyone suggest a (Mac Laptop that would run this software?)


https://youtu.be/KTpxGMvfP4E?si=7CmpHxaaifTnJJc7

Jul 18, 2025 07:54 AM in response to alex prowse

I now have an updated view on running this software, I was running Poser 11 successfully on an Mac Book Pro circa 2012 (IntelMac running Ventura 13.7.6) and a Mac Mini circa 2011 (IntelMac running High Sierra 10.13.6). The last system that Poser 11 ran was on a M1 Mac Mini running macOS Ventura.


Poser 11 and 12 completely broke starting with macOS Sonoma14.7.6. 


As far as our Mac requirements, it's a follows:

• MacOS 12.7.1 (Monterey or higher)

• Free trial offered to confirm compatibility before purchase

• Intel, M1 or M2 Processor

• 8 GB system RAM

• OpenGL enabled graphics card or chipset required for hardware accelerated preview.

• 24-bit color display, 1440 x 900 minimum resolution. (2k monitor recommended)

• 3 GB free hard disk space (30 GB required to install all included content).

• USB drive (physical USB product only)

• Internet connection for updates and required periodic online activation.

• Cycles supported GPU device for hardware accelerated final rendering including M1 and M2 processors

• Thank You All for your help Community


Jul 18, 2025 08:24 AM in response to alex prowse

I have a completely different suggestion. Rather than trying to find and buy obsolete hardware to save some money, do this instead.


If this is being used to support your work for a registered not-for-profit, consider purchasing the up-to-date version of Poser 13 and "gifting" the license to the not-for-profit/Charity.


Then deduct that cost as a Charitable Gift on your taxes.


Just get the Charity to write you a letter (on their letterhead) that they received this as a GIFT, (and did not provide any valuable goods or services in return) to cover you in case of tax audit. Or YOU write the list describing the gift and get them to acknowledge that description as a gift.

Jul 18, 2025 08:48 AM in response to alex prowse

I'll leave it to you to conclusively determine the system requirements for that software, but the fact they make it available for the M series Macs opens a wide variety of options.


• Intel, M1 or M2 Processor


For example, if one were to interpret that literally, it omits the M3 or M4 series CPUs — the only ones in current production. That seems hard to believe. Apple no longer builds any models strictly conforming to that specific requirement.


Once you conclusively determine that particular product runs on current production Macs then I encourage you to move on from the much-loved 17" MPB and shop for its replacement on the Refurbished Mac Deals - Apple store.


If in fact it really, really needs a M1 or M2 CPU (again, hard to believe) there are plenty of them available on those pages.

Jul 19, 2025 05:38 AM in response to John Galt

First Thank You All for your invaluable advice. Looking at my Poser contact: The last system that Poser 11 ran was on a M1 Mac Mini running macOS Ventura. Seems to be the safest bet for us. Even though my animation work is used for the charity in India , I do not assign my equipment invoices through their accounts. I am of an age that invoices and tax receipts are born by me. ( Pensioner)

I will look into Refurbished Mac Deals - Apple store and feel confident that this should answer our needs.

www.chaitanyajyotimuseum.com


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