Time Machine backups disappearing

This is an issue I've encountered many times, on different computers, using different backup drives, and reported many times to Apple agents, who so far have no solution, and said they'd never heard of this before.


I just bought a new MacBook Pro M3 Max with Sonoma installed. I set it up to do TM backups manually (as I'd done with the computer I had before). I did my 1st TM backup to an attached external drive, formatted APFS as recommended. No problem. I later did another one. No problem. When I looked at the drive's contents, they were both there.


Last night I did a 3rd backup. The 2nd one disappeared; only the 1st and 3rd backups showed in Finder. This was reflected when I entered TM.


I tried a couple more backups, back to back, and they were fine, leaving me with the 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th.



I also know that the 2nd backup is missing because I was logging them separately, since I knew this was an issue I'd had in the past. 2025-04-10-221358 is the missing backup identifier, but I wasn't taking screenshots yet.


This proves at the very least that TM is not deleting backups automatically simply because one backup is no different than the one before and thus has nothing new to save - a theory posed by one Apple agent.


This morning I did my 6th backup, and the 5th disappeared, leaving me with the 1st, 3rd, 4th and 6th.



Notice that 2025-04-230224203 from the prior screenshot is gone. Again, this is confirmed when I actually enter TM.


Also notice I have 1.12TB available, so it's not an issue of space.


I had this same problem with my last MacBook Pro M1X running Ventura, and connected to a different backup drive than what I'm using now. So it's not the computer, and it's not the drive (and I used different cables, too... not that it should matter).


The backups that disappear are seemingly random, and no one at Apple so far has an answer. Has anyone here encountered this? Does anyone have a fix? Thank you...

MacBook Pro 16″

Posted on Apr 24, 2025 6:40 AM

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Apr 24, 2025 10:48 AM in response to bucketofish

Apple Support doesn't understand Time Machine.


The answer is simple. Backups become "thinned" (deleted) on schedule. TM retains hourly, daily, and weekly backups to the extent possible within the backup drive's capacity. Hourly backups are deleted after 24 hours except for the first one of the day, which then becomes the "daily" backup. Daily backups are deleted after a week, except for the first one of the week, which then becomes the "weekly" backup. Weekly backups are retained until TM needs the space they occupy, after which the oldest "weekly" becomes deleted.


This assumes you did not constrain TM to run less frequently than it will by default but if choose to do that older backups still become deleted according to that schedule.


Summary: They are not disappearing at random, Time Machine is running properly, and Apple should have known better than to posit that theory.


Apple really ought to read this site more often. They might learn something.

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Apr 24, 2025 2:10 PM in response to bucketofish

I might add... don't read too much into the Finder's representation of TM backups. In this specific case those dates are probably accurate, but if you delve too much into the Finder some of what you see will not make any sense. In the past it was very possible to corrupt backups by using the Finder to alter files (deleting them, etc) but a recent macOS release rendered TM backup drives "read only".


We could always use the Finder to benignly observe a TM backup drive's contents, but I surmise the temptation to alter them was irresistible. So we can't do that any more. We probably ought not to even be able to open a backup drive in the Finder, but such a change would only feed speculation of Apple of surreptitiously hiding something. The amount of misinformation regarding TM is bad enough as it is.

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Apr 28, 2025 2:59 AM in response to bucketofish

it points toward a software-related glitch in how Time Machine is managing and indexing backups, possibly introduced in recent macOS versions like Sonoma, or even Sequoia. Time Machine creates local snapshots and manages space automatically, but it should not randomly delete backups without any storage pressure. A few things you could try are resetting Time Machine settings, reformatting the drive (even though APFS is now recommended, testing with Mac OS Extended (Journaled) might help), or using Terminal commands like tmutil listbackups to check if the backups are truly deleted or just hidden.

Setting up a fresh backup on a newly erased drive could also help rule out any configuration issues. If the problem continues, it’s a good idea to report it through Apple’s Feedback Assistant.

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