Apple Cash Restriction (no other posts have accurate explanations)

Green Dot Bank decided to restrict (ban for life) my apple cash account. This was after they asked me to re-authenticate/update details (know your customer stuff).


Here's the rub:

If they do you, "it's confidential" you will be told when you call in. What they mean is that the decision itself is either restricted or proprietary and they will under no circumstances elaborate. They said they will send the 'reasons' for restriction, which is the entire length of the EULA/Credit disclosures.


Why is that a problem?

Nothing is listed that could have caused this. There is no appeal address or number (according to them). They use the uppercase "Bank" in terms and conditions, so we should have the right to appeal. Now, if there's a DoJ investigation banks cannot tell you that specifically, but you have avenues to appeal regardless.


Without getting the standard "solved" response of just posting the terms and conditions, does anyone have anything productive to add?


This is "paypal" all over again. Everyone makes mistakes, but this isn't mine and the only person you can call is someone who insists that you spell your e-mail with words (not everyone knows the NATO alphabet) and then repeats with random other words . . . not much standardized training at green dot apparently.


It was like pulling teeth to get my sister signed up with apple cash so I no longer had to play hide-and-seek with my checkbook every time I wanted to send some money to help out with the bills.


Any earnest help would be appreciated.

Posted on Apr 17, 2025 12:20 PM

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Posted on Apr 18, 2025 11:11 AM

I typically don’t create user tips, but I might in this particular instance. There is a steady flow of user feedback and experiences in regard to locked and restricted Apple Cash Accounts.


Thank you for the feedback.

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Apr 18, 2025 11:11 AM in response to H1290

I typically don’t create user tips, but I might in this particular instance. There is a steady flow of user feedback and experiences in regard to locked and restricted Apple Cash Accounts.


Thank you for the feedback.

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Apr 18, 2025 9:49 AM in response to Dstppy

OK, here are some of my thoughts. This is from someone that has worked in the financial services industry, at a fairly high level, and with direct customer contact. I’ll be honest, and hopefully explain the situation and why you’re having the customer experience that’s not what you expected or experienced in the past.


Apple is not a bank. They have to partner with companies to provide financial services. In the case of Apple Cash, Apple has partnered with Green Dot Bank. Green Dot specializes in prepaid debit cards and is ideally positioned to offer services to Apple’s customer base. 


US banks are highly regulated by multiple federal and state agencies. Fines are hefty, and the publicity has an adverse effect on their business and stockholders. Multiple federal regulations apply to the transactions carried out by Apple Cash services. Violation of the terms and conditions is subject to review by the bank and also federal and state regulators. 


Banks are required by the Patriot Act (enacted after 9/11) to Know Your Customers, and these laws are known as KYC regulations. But it goes beyond just you, the customer. Regulations require that they “Know Your Customer.” 


Why is KYC and KYCC required? Easy, criminals need to launder money, and banks are required to assist in detecting potential money laundering schemes. The activities they turn up may be minor, but nonetheless subject to the same regulations and scrutiny that someone laundering millions of dollars is subject to. In other words, you may have received funds or transferred funds that technically constitute money laundering schemes. 


Banks don’t want the fines, publicity, and closer scrutiny that these relatively innocent violations may cause. The algorithms they use leave out the emotion and compassion a first-time offender may seek and feel justified to. Banks view an offense in strict legal terms and don’t feel they need to be offering educational opportunities. Banks typically don’t provide second chances. It’s the nature of their business. 


However, mistakes can be made and, as I think you’ll agree, an opportunity to appeal and have a review. The federal government created such an oversight agency after the financial crisis in 2008/2009. Congressional law created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB).


Enter the CFPB that is charged with banks and other financial services companies from abusing consumers. For the last 15 years or so, there was a quick and easy complaint and review process for consumers to get relief. Unfortunately, the current administration doesn’t see things that way and just within the last few days, the CFPB had the number of their employees reduced by 90% as a cost savings measure. Not trying to politicize the discussion, just bring relevant facts to light. 


The staff and Green Dot are not permitted to discuss the matter. There is nothing on their screens to explain or discuss. The algorithm made a decision, end of discussion with the bank. In trying to do their jobs and provide customer support, they may go over information, but they have no authority or ability to change the decision. They can escalate to a supervisor, but again, no authority or ability to change the decision. The decision is just not subject to review. 


You are in the process of being de-banked. Banks often refer to it as de-risking. De-banking is the closure of people's or organizations' bank accounts by banks that perceive the account holders to pose a financial, legal, regulatory, or reputational risk to the bank.


End Part 1.


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Apr 18, 2025 9:51 AM in response to Jeff Donald

Basically, you violated the terms and conditions. What exactly did you do? This is the section,


“(iii) if you breach these Terms or any other agreement with us regarding the Services, including, without limitation, by using the Services for any unlawful purposes; (iv) we have reason to believe there has been or may be an unauthorized use of your Apple Cash Account; (v) we are unable to verify your identity or authority to use the Services to our satisfaction; (vi) your Apple Cash Account is not in good standing; (vii) we believe that your use of the Services could expose us, Apple, or other persons involved in providing the Services to increased risk or be placed in a false or derogatory light; (viii) your Apple ID is suspended or terminated for any reason or ceases to be in good standing with Apple; (ix) we have reason to believe that you are using the Services to facilitate, encourage, or promote illegal activity, hate, violence, intolerance, fraud, or otherwise objectionable content or activities; or (x) we believe your use of the Services does not comply with applicable law. Our election to exercise the foregoing right to suspend or terminate your access to and use of the Services is in addition to any other right or remedy that we may have under these Terms or otherwise. Our decisions may be based on confidential criteria that are essential to our operation of the Services, management of risk, and protection of Bank and other Users. We may use proprietary fraud and risk modeling when assessing the risk associated with your use of the Services. You understand and agree that such action is reasonable for us to take in order to protect us from loss and ensure the security of the Services. We reserve the right in our sole discretion to grant or deny reinstatement of your use of the Services.”


https://applecash.greendot.com/termsconditions/


I’m happy to explain each subsection (3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9). If you want an explanation of each subsection or one in particular, just ask. But again, you’re being de-banked. Wikipedia has a good article on de-banking. 


Most people believe none of what I’ve written applies to them. They believe the bank made a mistake in identifying them. Am I wrong? 


Te responsibility for providing positive proof is the account holder, you. If there is a mistake in the information the bank receives and uses to verify the information you provide, it falls upon you to correct the mistakes with the supplier. The bank has no reason to doubt the source of the background information on you the bank receives. You, on the other hand, could be a scammer, money launderer, etc. If information doesn’t match, you need to fix it. 


Where to go from here: File a complaint with the CFPB. They’ll do an investigation, and if they find cause, order the bank to contact you and re-verify your personal information. If a mistake was made on the bank’s end, they’ll typically reopen your account and offer a small compensation of maybe $25. 


Ask questions, seek clarification, and answers. The link to file a complaint is below. In the past, these things were resolved in 2 to 4 weeks, at the most. Given the current circumstances, I’d expect review and resolution in 2 to 3 months. 


If you have a complaint about a prepaid account, call the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau at 1-855-411-2372 or visit cfpb.gov/complaint.


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Apr 18, 2025 8:34 AM in response to Jeff Donald

"does anyone have anything productive to add?"

My thoughts were maybe:

  • Someone else has made progress with having the Apple Cash 'account' purged/disconnected from their AppleID such that (as others have said, even if they acknowledge a mistake, they have no technical means to undo it)
  • Apple, themselves have reviewed the problem with their vendors and at least acknowledged that it's something that may be changed
  • An actual physical address to send 'request for explanation' or otherwise have an internal body at Green Dot bank that does an actual re-review


It's just a slippery slope saying "okay, I'll use PayPal", then you use a different chat client, mail client etc. until "it just works" goes the way of the physical disc drive.

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Apr 19, 2025 11:09 AM in response to Dstppy

The identity issue is more than likely, not what you think, but the opposite. The bank did positively identify you, and know that you are the owner of the account.


However, I agree that you should pursue CFPB complaint. They’ll resolve an identity issue in your favor. But virtually any other issue results in no action on CFPB part.


I’d review recent transactions and people that you received funds from and sent funds to. Here is a short list of possible transactions that can cause issues.


  • cryptocurrency transactions
  • gambling transactions
  • gift card transactions
  • commercial transactions
  • precious metals transactions
  • marijuana or similar transactions
  • Apple Account issues
  • Commercial transactions
  • Underage use of account
  • Over drawing Apple Cash Account


These are some of the most common types of transactions that will get your account locked. As an example, I’ve a friend that started accepting Apple Cash for rent payment. It took about 1 month for the algorithm to detect commercial use of his account. Result, account permanently locked.


Please understand I’m not accusing, just pointing out possible violations that could have brought us to this juncture. I encourage you to review sections 3, 4, 6, 7, 9 and 10. Section 5 is unable to verify identity, but I believe at this point, it’s not the issue. What you’re experiencing is KYC and KYCC. You may not be directly involved, but KYCC might be the issue.


Green Dot Bank specializes in prepaid debit cards. The rules governing prepaid debit cards allows little leeway. The transactions are literally cash transactions and aren’t subject to the same protections that credit cards and debit cards are entitled to.


File the complaint and let’s hopefully revisit what’s transpired in the interval.


I’d like to address the comparisons with full service banks, but this isn’t the forum for it, sorry. I’m trying to keep all this thread from being deleted and hopefully be a benefit not just for you, but community members in the future.

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Apr 19, 2025 10:06 AM in response to Jeff Donald

Unfortunately, what 'exactly' I did isn't clear. I'm very careful to make sure that I do and how diligent I am about adhering to requests for proof of id or account etc.


I'll try filing the complaint.


My underlying surprise (irritation) is that all of what you've said is true of the Apple Card (under Goldman IIRC). They're under the highest level of scrutiny because of their size and types of banking they're into. They have a compliance department, as does Chase, BoA, Citi etc. When customer service at any level suspects something, they report directly to the department handling AML, Fraud, etc and different safeguards go into place.


If you're not doing complex banking and they have a walk-in office, you can typically go in with your passport, drivers license, and/or birth certificate and start a good faith investigation into the problem.


I *do* like that Apple throws their weight around with their vendors making them adhere to at or above the law, as they've done in quality of employment at their China factory. It gets more action threatening losing a huge financial partner even more than government sanctions.


My previous interaction was amazingly straightforward and used a really well written bot without having to change to a phone call or use my computer etc. I expect very little from the "chat" experience until a person is involved.


Thanks again. I have a path forward now, thank you.

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