Time Machine-Silion Mac-Apple Airport Extreme - USB Disk Not Found







I have an Apple Airport Extreme 802.11n with an external USB drive connected to it. It has the latest firmware. I am trying to use Time Machine to backup my laptop to it as an inexpensive NAS. I formatted the 4TB G-drive to HFS+ and not AFPS because that is what the Airport Extreme needs. I can get the external USB drive setup using the Airport Utility so it is visible as "Airport Time Machine 4tb-Gdriv" shown in a figure below. However, when on my Mac trying to add the drive to Time Machine, I get the error message "No Available Time Machine Destinations". I don't know what I have done wrong. Is it the choice of how the security of the shared disk is selected? Some mentioned that only the Airport Extreme 802.11AC supported external USB hard drives. Is that a correct statement? Should I just buy a Synology or a Ubiquity UNAS Pro that both allege to currently support Time Machine at over $500?


I am using a Macbook Air 15 with M2 Silicon and Sonoma 14.7.1.


MacBook Air 13″

Posted on Feb 16, 2025 11:53 AM

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Posted on Feb 16, 2025 7:16 PM

Two possible explanations.


Some mentioned that only the Airport Extreme 802.11AC supported external USB hard drives. Is that a correct statement?


Yes. For AirPort Extreme Base Stations Time Machine is only guaranteed to work with the latest production 802.11ac AirPort Extreme Base Stations — the "tall" variety. Refer to Backup disks you can use with Time Machine - Apple Support which makes the distinction abundantly clear.


There is extensive history on that matter, which began with Steve Jobs mentioning in an offhanded comment that TM could be used with any AEBS. It just wasn't so. Apple's Support documents never indicated it would. There was probably a lot of internal turmoil going on that we will never know about. No one wanted to say "you're wrong Steve" even though he was. In any event the introduction of the new "tall" AEBS models put the matter to rest. It was Apple's first officially documented and unequivocally supported non-Time Capsule NAS backup solution.


The 802.11n "flat" base stations may work with Time Machine. Lots of people reported that it did, but it was never officially supported.


It goes without saying all Time Capsule models work, all the way back to and including the original one. They work to this day. I still use them.


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Is it the choice of how the security of the shared disk is selected?


Possibly. If you encrypted that backup disk separately, don't. It won't work. Erase it using the GUID Partition Map and Mac OS Extended (Journaled) because that's what the AEBS will be able to read. Then, when adding it to TM check the box to encrypt backups. That way, the backups themselves will be encrypted, as they should. Don't encrypt the entire disk. That's only useful if the drive is directly connected to the Mac.

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Feb 16, 2025 7:16 PM in response to Lukcresdera

Two possible explanations.


Some mentioned that only the Airport Extreme 802.11AC supported external USB hard drives. Is that a correct statement?


Yes. For AirPort Extreme Base Stations Time Machine is only guaranteed to work with the latest production 802.11ac AirPort Extreme Base Stations — the "tall" variety. Refer to Backup disks you can use with Time Machine - Apple Support which makes the distinction abundantly clear.


There is extensive history on that matter, which began with Steve Jobs mentioning in an offhanded comment that TM could be used with any AEBS. It just wasn't so. Apple's Support documents never indicated it would. There was probably a lot of internal turmoil going on that we will never know about. No one wanted to say "you're wrong Steve" even though he was. In any event the introduction of the new "tall" AEBS models put the matter to rest. It was Apple's first officially documented and unequivocally supported non-Time Capsule NAS backup solution.


The 802.11n "flat" base stations may work with Time Machine. Lots of people reported that it did, but it was never officially supported.


It goes without saying all Time Capsule models work, all the way back to and including the original one. They work to this day. I still use them.


Next:


Is it the choice of how the security of the shared disk is selected?


Possibly. If you encrypted that backup disk separately, don't. It won't work. Erase it using the GUID Partition Map and Mac OS Extended (Journaled) because that's what the AEBS will be able to read. Then, when adding it to TM check the box to encrypt backups. That way, the backups themselves will be encrypted, as they should. Don't encrypt the entire disk. That's only useful if the drive is directly connected to the Mac.

Feb 17, 2025 11:59 AM in response to Lukcresdera

Time Machine in Sonoma requires an APFS formatted drive, which negates your using the AEBS with the attached drive. Just mount the APFS formatted drive on your MacBook Air with a USB-C cable, tell Time Machine to use it, and the rest will work fine.


I use an APFS formatted Crucial X9 2 TB drive connected to my M1 MacBook Pro M1 Pro for use with Time Machine. The drive fits in the palm of my hand with room to spare so not a portability issue.

Feb 18, 2025 1:07 PM in response to Lukcresdera

No need to apologize; it's a common misconception that "discontinued" = "unsupported". The latest macOS Time Machine instructions include the latest TC models — as well as the recent AEBS, which as I wrote is a first for Apple's Support documents.


Apple also updated the firmware for those devices long after they discontinued them.


Years ago I did purchase a Synology NAS device. It was never reliable with Time Machine. After several weeks of testing, reconfiguring and simplifying my network to their liking to the point it could not be made any simpler, updating software, backing up / restoring (or trying to) and generally beating my head against a wall I gave up on it, returned it to them and they very reluctantly refunded my money. Since then I have relied exclusively on genuine Apple AEBSs, Time Capsules, inexpensive USB hard disks connected to them, or directly connected to the Macs they back up. They have been 100% reliable. Not 99.999% but 100%. Not one failure to back up or restore, ever.


I understand some people successfully use the Synology with Time Machine but that was not my experience, and not one I am likely to ever repeat. Weeks of wasted time.


As far as Wi-Fi speeds the 802.11ac base stations Wi-Fi speeds exceed Gigabit Ethernet. Not that it matters to TM because backups are a low priority task that comes nowhere near the throughput 802.11ac base stations are capable of.


The original "flat" Time Capsules use external power supplies and maybe that's a better idea, but I haven't had any power supplies fail either. Nothing lasts forever though, but I miss the fact they just worked without difficulty or complaint.


External hard drives seemed like a better option with an Airport Extreme.


They are, since they're cheap and disposable, but I have never attempted to use Time Machine with an 802.11n only Extreme — the ones no longer supported. With the understanding that everyone's backup requirements are different, backups are too important to me to risk unsupported configurations. Even if it "worked" I wouldn't advise anyone else to do it. That's also why I gave up on Synology. They lost my trust. Not that they earned it to begin with... their tech support never seemed very competent to me, and were quick to blame anyone and everyone but themselves for their failures.


Judging from other reports on this site I put the Western Digital "MyCloud" in the same category. Never tried Ubiquiti. Maybe one day.


Bottom line, to get an Airport Extreme to work with Time Machine, I am going to have to get a used 802.11AC


Or a used Time Capsule. Any model will do all the way back to the original one, although later models had larger capacity drives and are more desirable. They used to be inexpensive on the used market but their prices have been creeping up. If you can find one at a reasonable price, I'd get it.

Feb 17, 2025 1:25 PM in response to VikingOSX

VikingOSX wrote:

Time Machine in Sonoma requires an APFS formatted drive, which negates your using the AEBS with the attached drive.


Not exactly. Although I agree using an 802.11n-only AEBS is not supposed to work for reasons I explained, APFS is not the reason.


I am using Time Machine for backups hosted on Time Capsules as well as the latest production 802.11ac AEBS with HFS+ formatted drives connected to their USB ports. Obviously those devices cannot read APFS. It makes no difference to TM for the simple reason they are NAS devices. The file system is not a factor. A Synology or Ubiquity NAS device as OP proposed would be out of the question if it were.

Feb 18, 2025 10:46 AM in response to John Galt

Sorry Mr. Galt. I appreciate your help here.

I may have misinterpreted your usage of "unsupported".

Both the 802.11n and 802.11ac are discontinued.

That to me means that Apple no longer provides hardware/firmware support for the device even though Time Machine may still work with and software support the 802.11ac Apple airport extreme base station (AEBS).

That is how I took your comment of "unsupported".

I cannot call Apple up and tell them to fix the software so it works with the 802.11AC if something goes wrong because it is a discontinued device.

If I purchased a new Synology NAS that claims support for Time Machine, then I could ask them to do something about it if it was not working.

I agree, Apple's Airport Extremes were the easiest WIFI access points/routers to set up, and I am sure that lead to computer sales. Time Capsules internal power supplies I think were a mistake. They should have just used an external power brick to avoid the extra heat placed on the hard drives. I did not bother diagnosing the failure of time machine with my time capsules. As far as I know their fans were still working and I could occasionally see the drives - they were just not reliable and WIFI speeds were lower. If I swapped out the hard drives with a larger SSD that would be an improvement that might work but might not if something else is wrong. External hard drives seemed like a better option with an Airport Extreme.

Bottom line, to get an Airport Extreme to work with Time Machine, I am going to have to get a used 802.11AC. Both my 802.11n's are still working fine in a mesh configuration to occasionally provide an alternate WIFI connection. I don't know if Apple was first with mesh configuration but it was a nice feature to have throughout a large house.

Feb 16, 2025 8:16 PM in response to BDAqua

Good advice. I tried using DriveDx after reformatting.

I even downloaded their driver in order to get SMART working but it did not take.

It is a 4TB external G-drive with USB3/Thurnderbolt 3or4 and a Western Digital hard drive.

I may give it another try.

Since I was able to reformat the drive with disk utility without any complaints, I did not think the health of the internal drive was an issue.

You are right though, if the drive is unhealthy Time Machine will not let me use it.

Feb 17, 2025 9:34 PM in response to BDAqua

Not sure about what you are trying to say about "internal drive".

It is an external drive and did not have any intention to remove the internal drive at this time.


I reformatted the drive to "Journled" without the case sensitivity and it did not help.

I am beginning to think it has to do with the password scheme selected but I have not yet fully investigate it.

Besides the issue with it being an 802.11n Airport extreme and not the latest version.

Feb 17, 2025 10:48 PM in response to VikingOSX

If also directly connect a Crucial external SSD to my M2 MacBook Air periodically. But is not always available to catch file updates by the hour. Direct attached drives (DAD) are required to be formatted as APFS for Sonoma and later OS. However, the old Airport extreme (801.11AC and hopefully 802.11N) relies on HFS so any drive attached to it must be formatted that way. I have had two Time Capsules in the past but all their drives are unreliable now and they run significantly hotter than an Airport Extreme.

I want to be able to use Time Machine to do backups that I don't need to think much about and not have to plug in my Crucial external SSD all the time, just periodically.


Feb 18, 2025 8:50 AM in response to John Galt

Good point. I am investigating the purchase of a NAS to support time machine. The least costly way to do this is with an Airport Extreme - now I think I know it must be an 802.11AC version. Over 10 years ago I have a Western Digital NAS of only 250gb. I then went to Time Capsules with more capacity. Now I am looking at Synology, Ubiquiti, and good ole Airport Extreme. I can get RAID with Sinology and Ubiquiti but they are significantly more expensive, significantly larger footprint, noisy with fans, and generate more heat in a room where I don't want it.

Yes, I am experimenting with my Airport Extreme 802.11n. Even the 802.11AC (tall one) is unsupported by Apple now but Time Machine is still supported. There are rumors that Apple might jump back into the NAS space with something new so this could work for a while as time passes for the rumors to clear or become true.

Feb 18, 2025 10:13 AM in response to Lukcresdera

Even the 802.11AC (tall one) is unsupported by Apple now ...


???


Wherever you're getting your information, it's wrong. It and Apple's other 802.11ac devices remain fully supported, just as much as your MacBook Air, despite the fact they have both been discontinued.


It seems that you have not read the Apple Support document I provided. Time Machine will work... if you let it. Just follow instructions.


The is likely to be the case for your Time Capsules. Perhaps their fans were merely clogged with dust, and perhaps that led to premature hard disk drive failure. Fans can be cleaned and drives can can be replaced. Maybe Apple should have used bigger, noisier fans? Who knows.


Yes it would be nice if Apple started production on new wireless NAS devices, but who knows if or when that will ever happen. Their decision to discontinue their entire AirPort line of products was one of their more boneheaded moves in my opinion. It seems if Apple can't sell a few hundred million of something they're not interested.

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