M1 battery gas gauge sensor and fans

I've been seeing the fans on my 2021 M1 Max Macbook Pro 16" when it's pretty much idle, and even when the lid's shut. I took it to the Genius Bar last week and, while nice people, weren't much help. They ran the diagnostics, which I'd already done, and as nothing jumped out said to rebuild it and see if it still happens. I rebuilt it and it was still happening. I bought iStatistica Pro and ran that to see if I could get an idea of what was happening, and finally caught the fans running, no load, but the Gas Gauge Battery sensor was being read as 0C and the fans running full speed. This lasted for about a minute. Armed with "Gas Gauge Battery" I found Macbook Pro M1 Battery Gas Gauge Sensor I… - Apple Community so it's back to the Genius Bar just now and see what they say. Screenshots of OK and Not OK below. I'm just posting for information, not looking for any help :)


OK



Not OK


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Cheers,

Bill


MacBook Pro (M1, 2020)

Posted on Jul 31, 2023 7:27 AM

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Aug 2, 2023 4:41 AM in response to BimmG

Genius Bar did the same stuff as last week - ran diagnostics, no issue found. They've kept it and are going to run "extended diagnostics" and if that doesn't show any problem they're going to reinstall MacOS. Technician was kinda interested in the screenshots but says they'll not figure in their investigation of the issue. Basically it seems that the sensor's intermittent failure has to happen when the diagnostics are running, or I'm going to have to put up with the problem until the sensor fails completely.

Aug 4, 2023 4:41 PM in response to BimmG

A Genius Bar tech phoned to say that the Macbook passed all the external diagnostics so they were going to revert it to factory defaults by loading the firmware and MacOS from another Mac to be confident that everything was as it should be. The tech was sure that this would resolve the issue and that the fans starting randomly when the machine was not under load was typical behaviour. They didn't like me challenging that assertion by saying that in the 18+ months I've owned it, I've only ever had the fans come on at an audible level when processing 8K video. I suppose that the fans might have come on at a level that I couldn't hear them, but certainly not making the noise that they produced with this fault.


Next day, the same tech phoned to say that they'd reloaded firmware and OS and had just created a test logon when the fans came on full bore when the machine was idle. They ran for long enough that the tech managed to start activity monitor to confirm the machine was barely ticking over. They apologised that they'd had the machine for a week and were now predicting another week while they wait for parts to arrive and repairs to be effected. They're swapping out the logic board as their best bet for fixing the problem. I said that the gas gauge sensor was on the battery management daughterboard, but the tech said they'd nothing to indicate the sensor was faulty and second level support had advised swapping the logic board. I emailed them https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/xw7dty/battery_gas_gauge_sensor_not_producing_a_reading/ in addition to the link in my original post but no reply. So, looks like they're going to replace the £1,200 thing then have to clear and re-associate the Secure Enclave, rather than just clean the sensor first to see if that resolves the issue. I don't know if the battery management daughterboard is fixed to the logic board, or if it's separate, although I found a 'flexible link cable' for connecting the battery management unit to the logic board on Intel MacBooks, indicating it was separate in Intel times.


I suppose the replacement logic board might fix it if the problem really isn't anything to do with the gas gauge sensor, but I've a funny feeling I'm going to get the machine back after two weeks with the fault still present. I guess that the tech might 'accidentally' clean the sensor while working on the machine.


I'll update again in due course.


Cheers,

Bill

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