FCPX - HDV / HD uprez, best technique?

Resurrecting a film shot fifteen years ago in HDV. If I pull a still and run it through the Topaz Sharpening app I get a huge bump in seeming resolution, without it looking worked over; enough that I would be happy.


I have the Topaz Video ... but it's a standalone, doesn't work as an FCPX plug in. I can't imagine doing each shot of the film singly. And I'm not sure how good Topaz Video would do if I tried to do the master of the film all in one shot.


I have the Sharpener of FCPeffects, but man it's a learning curve -- I'm looking for tutorials. The auto-mode of the Topaz is screaming fast and gets a really good first off, good enough for this film.


I'm wondering if anyone out there has experimented with up-rezzing and if there is a plug-in (with the efficiency of Topaz) I could use in FCPX? I don't care what it costs.


I have Neat, which is what I use for any noise, and it's terrific ... but the sharpening is limited (I think, given my lack of expertise).


Any ideas?


Ben

Posted on Jul 16, 2022 11:30 AM

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Jul 16, 2022 7:30 PM in response to Ben Low

I find the FCPX Sharpener to be rather lackluster. You would be better **duplicating** all your clips, placing them all above the originals, setting the Blend Mode to Overlay, applying a Color board to all the Overlay clips and adjusting the Exposure something like this:



You can use the Opacity control to set how much influence the effect has.


If Overlay is too intense, try Soft Light.

Jul 16, 2022 3:21 PM in response to Ben Low

This is a somewhat complex subject. There are, probably, as many different opinions on this topic as there are people. Sharpening, like "color correction" is very subjective. So... what I'm about to put forth, take with a grain of salt. After all, I am an "amateur" and "can't possibly know what I'm talking about." I don't do this sort of thing for a living.


I assume, by HDV, you mean 1280x720 or 960x720 (anamorphic).


First and probably foremost: ALL digital cameras add a tiny bit of softening to the images produced so as not to get "jpeg artifacts" (or moire patterning) corresponding to each "cell" (pixel) of the imaging sensor. These are discreet data collectors and that's not exactly how analog light works. The higher the cell count, the better looking the image, but the image data is still discreet and there is some algorithmic "blending" that goes on in camera when images are produced (particularly the JPEG export options... RAW might be different.) [This is a **feature** of digital imaging.]


It is my opinion that ALL video needs some sharpening — I call it cleaning. [This isn't in the list, just my opinion.]


Second would be that Final Cut already does a rather phenomenal job of upscaling video. Well sharpened HDV video will still look pretty outstanding upscaled.


Now, some sharpeners use an algorithmic computation to create artificially hardened edges giving the appearance of a sharper image. These are helpful, but only up to a limit. Go too far and you end up with something like:


(this is original appearance - 1280x720 exported from a 1920x1080 project)




To me, sharpening is a two step approach:


1) "cleaning" the original video which is adding just a "touch" of algorithmic sharpening (removing the "fog")

2) improving the overall color contrast of the image (which creates a "softer" sharpening by improving the distinction between colors.



There is only so much you can "recover". Make the most of what you get.


Here's another example - a 720x480 frame upscaled to 1080HD:


original:


"treated":


A lot of "sharpening" is simply improving the visual details in the image. (Even if you have to live with the "jaggies" in the bamboo leaf stems"). [Care must be taken not to blow out the highlights!]


It's a bit of an art form — and subjective. I learned the techniques from old Photoshop techniques from before the days the app did *everything* for you.


I can tell you I used effects that I created, but I can't you anything more (against forum protocols — they're "commercial"). The effects I made are **fine tuned** to my preferences. Otherwise, they are not really anything "special" — made in Motion with off the shelf filters. I tend to use a combination of effects in Final Cut: a cleaner and a custom color balance effect*. I would say that they took about 10 years to develop to their current level of "refinement". [More truthfully: I've had to dumb down a bunch of more generalized effects I've created because nobody remembers how to apply the old "photoshop techniques" anymore — I've had to repurpose them for more specific functions.]


*I tend to create very small, purpose-focused effects instead of effects with a mile long parameter inspector that try to do everything. Just "add-what-you-need" effects.


As an aside: I've never seen two clips able to use the exact same settings. A "one application fits all" is not likely unless you can be satisfied with a minimum level of sharpening.







Jul 17, 2022 11:11 AM in response to Ben Low

Under certain circumstances, adding some effects to a lower resolution clip in a project will make FCPX turn off it's upscaling algorithm. In those cases, you will need to place the original clips inside a Compound Clip, then Add the effect(s) to the compound clip.


If it is only NEAT having this effect on your clips, you can add the other effects to the clips first, wrap them in a compound, then apply NEAT "on top". Or, you can just apply all the effects to the compound instead.


Using a Compound Clip will *conform* your media to the Project settings and the effects will be applied to *that* resolution.


l've dealt with this for 720x480 clips in a 1080 project... so I'm just extrapolating here... (hope it works!)

Jul 17, 2022 9:19 AM in response to Ben Low

If I understand correctly, the easiest thing to do would be create a 2:1 aspect 4K project (4096x2048). The 1440 width would need to be scaled: (AspectRatio x ClipHeight/ClipWidth) 2.0 x1080/1440 = 1.5 on Transform>Scale X with Spatial Conform set to Fit. (I wish FCPX would handle Anamorphic Override for HD clips! It only offers that option for SD clips and only to 16:9).



HTH

Jul 17, 2022 9:50 AM in response to fox_m

Hey fox_m ...


I created a 4096x2048 timeline. I dropped in the HDV film. I highlighted all the clips. I set them to 'fill'. And they seem to be fine. They don't look either stretched or squashed.


Ha ha ha ... and you're RIGHT! The up-scaling somehow makes the image look a lot better.


Which brings up another weird question: the original was 29.97i. I drop in a sharpening effect & the Neat. I can SEE the effect momentarily, then the image pops back to the original soft look. If I click on the cursor and drag a bit, the effect is there and working, but the moment I unclick the image goes soft. Rendering only gives me a soft image. Could it be because I've got an interlaced clip on a progressive timeline? The custom setup doesn't allow me to make an interlaced timeline.


I use the deinterlace plugin ... image is soft, but when I change from Upper to Lower field it is momentarily correct, the effect working, but then soft again.


Got any ideas why this might be so fox_m?






Jul 16, 2022 6:58 PM in response to fox_m

Hey fox_m,


Great notes. And you've given me some different ways to come at this. And. Upscaling. I just finished a 90 minute film that was original HD, but then we added a lot of 4K, so I put everything on a 4K timeline ... I thought I was imagining it, but the HD actually seemed to look better. Upscaling.


This HDV is actually 1080, the first HDV camera Sony made, lovely camera ... we shot the first couple of films with it only to discover no one had written a way to export out the HDV to a useable codec. A lot of scrambling on the forums. So, taking your advice, I'm going to put it all on a 4K timeline and see what that does. I also remember in this last film I used Neat a lot for the low light noise, and Neat can do a bit of sharpening. It did a remarkably good job on the noise. And somehow an extra good job on faces for some reason. And that's what this film needs.


I just did some tests with the Topaz Video. It wasn't nearly as satisfying as using the Topaz photographic app, which did an amazing job on a single frame.


I'm going to try the upscaling, using the FCPX sharpener (so easy), maybe add in a bit more contrast than I normally would. And this way, as per your advice, I can handle each shot separately.


Thank you so much for your virtually an essay. I'll be coming back to it tomorrow, reading through a couple of times.


Very much appreciated, fox_m ...


Ben





Jul 17, 2022 7:42 AM in response to fox_m

Hi fox_m,


Experimenting with your suggestion. And comparing with FCPX sharpener, and FCPeffects sharpener. Next I'm going to dump the movie onto a 4K timeline. Perhaps you could help me with one little unrelated thing? It is an 1080 HDV format (1440 x 1080, 29.97i), and displays as a neat 16:9). I'm also trying to get it to look more film-like. The way I shot it - it crops nicely to an 'Aspect 2 ratio' ... more widescreen looking. I want to create an FCPX custom timeline with that aspect ratio (rather than use a matte on the 16:9). How would an Aspect 2 ratio convert to actual pixels on a 4K timeline? Is there some kind of formula I can use? I know it's a bit narrower than 17:9 ... but my math skills are wretched.





Jul 17, 2022 12:30 PM in response to fox_m

Grr. I usually don't need to work with Proxies. But this is an older drive. I want to transcode all the clips in the film at once, batch transcode so to speak. I can't figure out how to do it ... I can't transcode directly from the timeline. And I can't highlight the actual 'project' file and transcode all clips within. The thought of finding every single clip in the Browser is too daunting.


And I swear I once transcoded all clips in one fell swoop once.


I know this is off topic ... I could repost it ... but I bet it's a really simple answer, that I should automatically know. I did Google it for ten minutes ... but what was proposed didn't work with this version of FCPX.



Jul 17, 2022 2:07 PM in response to Ben Low

You can right click a clip in the storyline and select Reveal in Browser from the menu. You can right click the clip in the Browser and select Transcode Media and choose your options. Once a clip is transcoded, all clips should use the transcoded version everywhere. To use Proxy along with Optimized, go to the View menu and select Proxy Preferred.


Side note: I have Better Quality and Better Performance options "wired" to my Page Up and Page Down keys respectively (No Modifiers). I can switch between the two as the storyline plays in real time. If you don't have a full size keyboard, holding down the fn key and using Up Arrow/Down Arrow should be equivalent - but I don't know how to set that up in Commands.

Jul 17, 2022 2:15 PM in response to fox_m

My usual way of doing it ... though I thought only that one clip would be transcoded. But. With the HD sitting on a 4K timeline, when I try to do that the options in the Transcode Media box are greyed out and won't let me make a Proxy file. I wonder if it's because the HD is sitting on the 4K timeline and FCPX is confused, doesn't know what resolution to make the Proxy?


Mmm. Better Quality, Better Performance ... that might be enough to get the recut done. Things are running smoothly now, but once I start dropping in effects and grading and a dozen tracks of audio, can get sticky.

Jul 19, 2022 4:53 AM in response to fox_m

Thank you fox_m.


'edited with "good performance" ... I wonder if FCPX takes into account the drive this media is on, which appears to be annoyingly slow. Always a second or two ... or three ... between each action.


I'm going to make space on a ThunderBlade SSD and see if 'edited with "good performance" might not look a little better.


Thank you for all your help fox_m. I'm in and out of the editing room the next few days. But once I find, of all the suggestions above, the one that seems to work best I will post here.


All the best,


Ben

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