FCPX project thumbnails *still* missing (2025)

For some reason the previous thread about this was closed, despite the problem having not been solved.


https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254900229


I'm using FCPX 10.7 under Ventura 13.6 0 - but this irritating problem has been present across every single FCPX version I have ever used. Why...?


I have tried deleting my cache (render files including thumbnail data) and restarting etc. Makes no difference.


My cache is always stored in the library. My library is always on an external SSD.


Joema (there's a name from the past - from the old fcp.co days before that website, without due warning just disappeared, with users having no time to archive useful threads) reported in the thread linked above:


[I formerly thought the thumbnails for the project icon were taken from the thumbnail cache inside the library in /EventName/Render Files/Thumbnail Media. That is where the timeline thumbnails come from and I think for filmstrip clips in the browser.


However I did some brief tests that imply the project thumbnail is not taken from that cache.


I can add a clip to a new project, and the project thumbnail will remain black. If I click on a few things or switch several times between filmstrip view and detail view, it will fill in. Using the terminal command fs_usage to capture all I/O FCP is doing, it does not access the cache thumbnails when that happens. It does getattrlist calls on the original media files but does not read or write I/O. So it is apparently an in-memory state change.


When the project thumbnail fills in, these are the sequence of FCP calls. the 'switchDisplayViews' method is when it switches back from list view to filmstrip view. It checks to restore the previous filmstrip view selection, then calls the 'reloadData' method. That call may be what fills in the project thumbnail.


-[FFOrganizerFilmstripModule switchDisplayViews:]

-[FFOrganizerFilmstripViewController matchSelectionToPreviousModeSelection:]

-[FFOrganizerFilmstripView activeSelectionDidChange]

-[FFOrganizerFilmstripView reloadData]


It's possible upon initially adding the clip to the project, there is a code path which fails to populate the thumbnail. However I don't know why some users report it as widespread and consistent behavior.]


It confounds that after all these years, FCPX still hasn't fixed this issue. These sorts of glitches make the application feel unstable and unreliable and I wish there was something we could do to address this.


Has anyone found a solution?


Please don't advise me to upgrade anything. There are very good reasons (for *me*) that I use my current configuration and upgrading, changing versions etc is *not* a simple fix-all when I rely upon a range of paid for applications that will be affected by changing my OS etc. Again, this thumbnail thing is certainly not a new issue anyway and appears to be quite a universally experienced problem.



iMac Pro, macOS 13.6

Posted on Jun 30, 2025 6:18 PM

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Posted on Jul 3, 2025 2:42 PM

I haven't seen this widely reported, but there is still a problem causing this in 11.1.1 on Sequoia 15.5. However, it seems very ephemeral. When I reproduce it, the black project icon fills in if I double-click on that or the event name in the left sidebar. It also fills in if I just toggle between list view and filmstrip view (OPT+CMD+2). Can anyone experiencing this see if that happens on your machines?


The underlying issue appears to be a complex timing interaction between the main FCP thread, which makes an async request to rebuild the project thumbnail, and the background thread, which implements part of that and returns results to the main thread. There may be cases where the background thread, under certain conditions, does not return fast enough, and the main thread just posts a black frame. I'm examining it.

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Jul 3, 2025 2:42 PM in response to FilipOfficial

I haven't seen this widely reported, but there is still a problem causing this in 11.1.1 on Sequoia 15.5. However, it seems very ephemeral. When I reproduce it, the black project icon fills in if I double-click on that or the event name in the left sidebar. It also fills in if I just toggle between list view and filmstrip view (OPT+CMD+2). Can anyone experiencing this see if that happens on your machines?


The underlying issue appears to be a complex timing interaction between the main FCP thread, which makes an async request to rebuild the project thumbnail, and the background thread, which implements part of that and returns results to the main thread. There may be cases where the background thread, under certain conditions, does not return fast enough, and the main thread just posts a black frame. I'm examining it.

Jul 4, 2025 7:55 PM in response to fox_m

> check the project (open in a timeline or storyline) and check the halfway mark. If there is a Gap or a "solo" Title, you may not get anything (and you wouldn't anyway.)


Holy crap.

This is what was causing the thumbnail blackouts. The way I organise things, I usually like to have a nice, big spacer between my "feature" and the bits and pieces I am considering putting in / tinkering with etc.

That spacer was the problem, evidently.... and here I was, thinking FCPX would smartly auto-detect active clips to pull a thumbnail from...


The black thumbnail with red dot is something I have seen from time to time, but not in the library I am currently working in... so for now, I am very grateful to have learned something useful - and which solved at least one problem! Thankyou


Jul 3, 2025 8:34 PM in response to Matthew Slaughter

Try this *weird* ritual... but it seems to work.


Click on the Project thumbnail.

Go to Inspector column and click on the circle-i icon (info inspector), then the "trident" icon (share inspector). WAIT for the inspector information to change if necessary (if there's not a lot of information changing, just wait a second or two before proceeding). [If the Info Inspector is already selected, just click on the Share Inspector.]


Then in the Event Browser, click on the Project thumbnail again. (You may have to wait a few seconds here too, or just click on the next project...)


IF you still get a black thumbnail, check the project (open in a timeline or storyline) and check the halfway mark. If there is a Gap or a "solo" Title, you may not get anything (and you wouldn't anyway.)

Jul 1, 2025 12:33 AM in response to Matthew Slaughter

This is not a problem that I've come across before.

Are you seeing this all the time?


I don't have access to 10.7 anymore, but even then I don't recall seeing this.

Anyway, if it is a bug, it certainly won't be fixed in a version that is some years old, and superseded by many subsequent updates. I am not telling you to update, but you can't expect a fix for 10.7. All you can do is check stuff in your setup to see if you can determine a solution.


I'd try making a new admin user account, creating a library and a few test projects. Do the thumbnails not show in that test situation?


Jul 6, 2025 2:11 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1

I can confirm that the thumbnail issue is still a problem in Final Cut Pro as of Version 11.1.1. This is a problem that frequently occurs in effects-intensive projects, especially those that use the Green Screen Keyer a lot from my experience. In a lot of projects where there's a lot of keyed green screen footage in many layers of Compound Clips, the Project thumbnail pretty much always turns into a black image with a very small red dot somewhere in it, even though there's not a single frame in the project that looks like that (there's no completely red frames in the project at all in fact). I don't know why that is, but I actually pretty much only read the Project titles when navigating in the Browser so honestly this hasn't bothered me much even though I've clearly noticed it. I'm running Final Cut Pro Version 11.1.1 on a 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro so I'm using very different hardware and software versions from Matthew Slaughter, yet I'm experiencing a similar problem.




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Jul 2, 2025 4:07 PM in response to Matthew Slaughter

@Matthew Slaughter, I see your forum replies in emails. Sometimes we gotta remember the first rule of Fight Club around here. Joema does participate here so maybe he'll chime in. I too miss fco dot co and the relatively unfiltered FCP discussions there. I still suggest posting an https://etrecheck.com report here to see if there isn't something specific about your setup.

Jul 1, 2025 1:39 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1

Thanks for your reply. As per the original thread I linked to, this has been quite a widespread problem for some time for many users - my experience has been that this bug has existed across all versions of FCPX that I have used, and across dozens of projects including tests. Re: "you can't expect a fix (for the older version of software you are using)" - well yes, but even when I expected a fix for a *current* version that I updated to, the dratted thing *still* wasn't fixed. So I guess I shouldn't expect a fix for an old *or* new version...

Jul 1, 2025 2:24 AM in response to Matthew Slaughter

You are assuming that this is still a problem with the current version, which is many iterations apart - 11.1.1.

I have not experienced, and I have not heard others reporting it; but then again I have not experienced it with any version, so maybe I've been lucky.


Or maybe it is fixed? If someone else has seen this in 11.1.1, perhaps they can chime in.

Jul 1, 2025 4:44 PM in response to Luis Sequeira1

Well yes that is fair, I suppose - given the space between 10.6 and 11xx. It'll be a while before I go there, however, given the costly hassle of also upgrading Pro Tools etc that will be required given 11xx will require an OS upgrade. I can't imagine I'm the only Pro Tools + FCPX user out there who faces this endless dilemma of Avid always being so far behind the eight ball that there's basically no easy (or cost effective) way to have a totally up to date system... c'est la vie. I remain skeptical given my previous reporting but you make a fair point... has the thumbnail bug ever been acknowledged in release notes for any later versions of FCPX, I wonder?


Jul 2, 2025 1:32 AM in response to Matthew Slaughter

Matthew Slaughter wrote:

I remain skeptical given my previous reporting but you make a fair point... has the thumbnail bug ever been acknowledged in release notes for any later versions of FCPX, I wonder?

Here are the release notes. I don't think there was a mention of this - but then again, I don't recall seeing this problem, or hearing about it in this forum.


Final Cut Pro release notes - Apple Support


Jul 2, 2025 8:30 AM in response to Matthew Slaughter

Matthew Slaughter wrote:

Thanks for checking that out, yes I'm not surprised...

> I don't recall seeing this problem, or hearing about it in this forum.

Yet it's a problem that exists, I assure you...

I'm assuming you did take a look at the previous thread I posted a link to (and quoted from)....
discussions.apple.com/thread/254900229


Yes, I read that thread. I understand that this is a vexing problem. You implied in a previous post that this was felt by many users, but in this thread and that one, there is a total of two or at most three users affected.

If it were a general bug, I would have expected a lot of people to complain, here and on other platforms like reddit; I cannot find anything else on this matter.



Jul 3, 2025 3:30 PM in response to FilipOfficial

Thanks @FlipOfficial. @Luis Sequeira1 - sadly, it appears that my point has now been well illustrated.


@FlipOfficial, you can add another type of project to the list which sees this unfortunate bug persist.

My projects are never effects heavy, unless you include plain soft dissolves / transitions and colour corrections (I do documentary work, often archive based, and have never even heard of a green screen keyer). Some of my projects are enormous and unwieldy and some are just trailer-size. Doesn't seem to make a difference. All I get is that little dot. It's random, though, one of my projects had its thumbnail come up again last week.


Given it appears there is no fix for this and probably never will be, I'll just accept defeat and consider any project thumbnails that do work to be a bonus here on out... :)

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