how do I set up Thunderbolt connection that supports external ethernet

I am new to Apple Products. I have a mini-mac (Hawkeye) and an iPad Pro(named iPhone (3) ) I want to take an application I was given and build it for the iPad Pro on the MINI-Mac. I am a member of Apple Developers and have the appropriate credentials. I have a Thunderbolt connection from the Mac to the iPad. I can See the iPad connection from the Mac. I cannot see any indication that there is a Thunderbolt connection from the iPad side of the connection. When I do the built Xcode tells me that it cannot find a network connection to the iPad even though there is both a wireless and a wired Ethernet connection to the Mac I would like to know why there is no visible knowledge of the connection using the TBT-3 cable between the Mac and the iPad device. No visible TBT-3 connection can be found on the iPad device.

Mac mini, macOS 13.2

Posted on Jan 31, 2023 03:55 PM

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Posted on Feb 1, 2023 02:09 PM

USB-C is a connector spec, and not a protocol spec.


Rule of thumb: USB [letter] is a connector, while USB[number] is a protocol.


Various protocols can operate via USB-C connector.


Depending on the particular host implementation, and also depending on the particular cable in use, a USB-C host port can provide USB 3.x or USB4, Thunderbolt (and Thunderbolt can provide DisplayPort), HDMI, DisplayPort (without Thunderbolt), and probably some other choices. Can. Not must.


And to keep things interesting, the USB4 spec now includes Thunderbolt.


The Apple Thunderbolt cable—and most other Thunderbolt cables—can provide a USB connection.


All Apple USB-C ports can provide some form of USB, and some can provide Thunderbolt.


Thunderbolt approximates a PCIe bus, and can connect to a PCIe chassis.


I'll ask again, is the app you are working with dependent on Thunderbolt or wired Ethernet? Because the usual connection from Xcode to an iPad Pro is a USB-C to USB-C cable. Of which, a Thunderbolt cable can also provide. Some iPad Pro apps can require access to external hardware via USB or Thunderbolt—recent iPad Pro offers USB4, which includes Thunderbolt—or other external connections. But if this is "just" Xcode to iPad Pro, it's USB 3.x or USB4.


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Feb 1, 2023 02:09 PM in response to mfstanton

USB-C is a connector spec, and not a protocol spec.


Rule of thumb: USB [letter] is a connector, while USB[number] is a protocol.


Various protocols can operate via USB-C connector.


Depending on the particular host implementation, and also depending on the particular cable in use, a USB-C host port can provide USB 3.x or USB4, Thunderbolt (and Thunderbolt can provide DisplayPort), HDMI, DisplayPort (without Thunderbolt), and probably some other choices. Can. Not must.


And to keep things interesting, the USB4 spec now includes Thunderbolt.


The Apple Thunderbolt cable—and most other Thunderbolt cables—can provide a USB connection.


All Apple USB-C ports can provide some form of USB, and some can provide Thunderbolt.


Thunderbolt approximates a PCIe bus, and can connect to a PCIe chassis.


I'll ask again, is the app you are working with dependent on Thunderbolt or wired Ethernet? Because the usual connection from Xcode to an iPad Pro is a USB-C to USB-C cable. Of which, a Thunderbolt cable can also provide. Some iPad Pro apps can require access to external hardware via USB or Thunderbolt—recent iPad Pro offers USB4, which includes Thunderbolt—or other external connections. But if this is "just" Xcode to iPad Pro, it's USB 3.x or USB4.


Feb 1, 2023 01:24 PM in response to MrHoffman

Thanks for the response I am using an Apple 1M TBT-3 cable and it gets a solid connection. The problem is that the MacOS says there is nothing connected to the cable and the iPad says there is nothing connected to the cable also but it seems to be getting data at high speeds going back and forth. There is no way to tell if there is even a connection on the iPad side of the connection. I am also having concerns that there is a reliance on the WiFi connnection even though it should not be used if a faster connection is available.

Feb 1, 2023 02:49 PM in response to MrHoffman

i am aware of all of that as I have been working with Thunderbolt 3 with Intel platforms for over 2 years. I am relying on the Thunderbolt because of its innate speed and the fact that the Thunderbolt connection was advertised as being available on both the iPad Pro and mini-Mac platforms that i am using for building and testing the source code package I received from a contractor. I am using one of the two type C connectors on the Mini-mac and data seems to be going across. There is also an indication that the iPad Pro is in the device list when i have it connected even when i turn OFF the WiFi connection. When i look at the status info in the device list from "system information" it explicitly states that nothing is connected to the port on the Mini-Mac side of the cable and there is nothing that reports the status from the iPad Pro side. I am using Xcode to do the build on the Mini-Mac and the download transfer seems to be working (The presence of the app icon in the target system would say the app file was indeed transferred) but the iPad Pro says it cannot maintain a network connection to the Mini-Mac to get the security validation from the build machine. I can only presume that it is not communicating with the Mini-Mac over the same connection that the programme was sent to the iPad Pro.

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