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Is this the same as a VPN?

Is this the same as a VPN?

iPhone 8, iOS 15

Posted on Dec 2, 2021 11:29 AM

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Posted on Dec 2, 2021 3:25 PM

Get rid of the AT&T VPN. It serves no legitimate purpose.


A VPN is intended to connect you to resources on a secure private network.


For example, I use a VPN on my Macs to connect securely to the private corporate network at my office. It creates a secure tunnel between my Mac and the office network, which is otherwise inaccessible from the outside.


Using a VPN to access anything on the public Internet is ridiculous. You create a secure tunnel between your device and the VPN provider, then the traffic goes out not secured from the VPN host to the target system you're accessing, all the while giving the VPN provider access to ALL of your data traffic.

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Dec 2, 2021 3:25 PM in response to K1WDR

Get rid of the AT&T VPN. It serves no legitimate purpose.


A VPN is intended to connect you to resources on a secure private network.


For example, I use a VPN on my Macs to connect securely to the private corporate network at my office. It creates a secure tunnel between my Mac and the office network, which is otherwise inaccessible from the outside.


Using a VPN to access anything on the public Internet is ridiculous. You create a secure tunnel between your device and the VPN provider, then the traffic goes out not secured from the VPN host to the target system you're accessing, all the while giving the VPN provider access to ALL of your data traffic.

Dec 2, 2021 3:06 PM in response to K1WDR

When you use a VPN to access the Internet, all you're doing is routing ALL of your data traffic through a single entity that can't be trusted with it. If they tell you they don't keep logs of the data so you can evade law enforcement or government monitoring, they are lying. Flat out. That or they are going to find themselves out of business very quickly.


iCloud private relay routes all of your requests through multiple proxies, so that your service provider can't identify what web sites you're visiting and the site you're visiting can not uniquely identify you.


Other apps such as banking apps, already use secure connections, so a VPN is pointless.


"Don't use VPN services"


https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29


"How VPN services resell your data"


https://thebestvpn.com/how-free-vpns-sell-your-data/


Some research into one of the VPN providers:


https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17258203

Dec 2, 2021 3:19 PM in response to KiltedTim

I’m learning a lot.

I have an available VPN from AT&T’s new Mobility Security app, and another VPN from the university where I profess. I’m using the AT&T VPN. Is there anything more to be gained by enabling Apple iCloud Private Relay? Would I use them together, or does the iCloud thing replace a VPN?


I think I “get” that a private VPN service just pushes all of my data traffic through a proprietary machine. I’m not doing that.

Is this the same as a VPN?

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